Rocky marciano vs the future champions

We don't any of these men are illegally enhanced.

We don't know when the illegal enhancements came into practice.

 

James Toney was smaller than Rocky yet was a threat to heavyweights when he showed up in shape. Rocky was naturally a lot bigger than Toney and taller as well, how is he too small but not Toney? If Toney can get up to 217 and be in shape I have no doubt Rocky, the bigger man, could.

 

Probably not as much, if we're talking about overweight, undersized men beating much bigger opponents. Also, as I've mentioned in the past, I think you greatly overestimate the power of Marciano's punches. The hyperbolic way that you and some of the characters on here discuss his power doesn't seem at all consistent with the length of many of his fights (esp. given the size of his opponents) or the seemingly suicidal fight plans of some of his opponents who went toe to toe and took the fight to him in the early rounds. But that's another thread.

I'm saying that he underestimated everything about Steve Cunningham, including his power and perhaps more importantly, his ability to connect with flush punches. For all of the talk about the size disparity in the fight, and the fact that Cunningham had fought most of his career in the 190s, Cunningham was still a fast, solid 6'3/210lb man with a reach that was only barely shorter than Fury's.

 

Lol George Foreman, Bowe, who punched harder wouldn't knock out Marciano in the first round? But in any case at least you are smart enough to know there is no 180 pound fighter who could beat a modern sized heavyweight.

 

The best clue of when illegal enhancements came into practice must be once the height to weight to age requirements fell out of line proportionately to how they had for hundreds of years.

For generations speed suffered, stamina suffered and fighters ceased to be effective if a fighters weight was not finely balanced. A fighters age used to come into it. Now older fighters go on and on...even average ones.

An optimum weight for men of a certain size was kept very similar. It all change dramatically around the time of "modern training".

After the Spinks experiment things changed a lot.

 

Shh! They don't like that!

 

Nobody's unstoppable in the real world. Sometimes one fighter is more prepared or motivated than the other. Sometimes one does a better job of stick to his game plan, sometimes one gets lucky and lands the perfect punch at the perfect moment. **** happens. Seems either disingenuous or foolhardy to put so much emphasis on such things in the context of fantasy match-ups though, where the goal is predicting the most probable outcome. Strange that certain boxing fans put so much emphasis on a few rounds (or even a few seconds) of anomalous action. It would be very different if we had boxers fight each other 30 times each and then drew our conclusions, but that doesn't happen for obvious reasons.

 

Nice self-congratulatory try but this has been asked and answered numerous times on this forum.

 

Toney doesn't count. He was cagey.

 

No what Dago was saying is why can't Rocky be 217lb and not be fat? There is absolutely no reason why Rockys body cannot respond in he same way to bulking up as Orlin Norris, Tua and any number of other fighters.

 

You don't know Rocky would be less effective. You can only assume.

We know that drugs cheats WOULD be less effective without PEDs. We don't need to assume.

We can assume an entire generation of heavyweights were cheating. We KNOW many of today's top heavyweights have been linked with cheating. Fury, Ortiz, Povetkin.

Then we have overwhelming evidence of peculiarities with Holyfield, Morrison, Golota, Tyson and perhaps everyone in the 1990s.

 

How do you know all these proportions were the same? You've completely made that up.

 

Yes, and you're preaching to the choir.

But I thought you were a proponent of emphasisizng the weaknesses of boxers?

Isn't this exactly what you do with Rocky? Post a gif of him getting knocked down with a snarky title?

It's disingenuous to extrapolate meaning from Fury getting knocked down for a fantasy fight but on the same token you use 3 landed punches on Savold to criticize Rockys power?

What I'm trying to do is get to some middle ground here, where we can acknowledge both that size is an advantage but it isn't an automatic pass to win a fight.

It doesn't seem like you can get there despite the overwhelming evidence.

 

Then you must have a weak soul bubba.

Lol are you for real? You literally said that James was a natural 175 lber then say that Rocky was a 185 lbr. 185>175.

Toney is not 5'10, more like 5'9. Toney was in the 250s at one point, if it took him steroids to get to 217 then no way does he get up to 257 and be in fighting shape for a 10 rdr.

Marciano would be just as effective. Perhaps throw not as many punches but still far more than super heavies of today and the added weight would make up for any disadvantages you say he would have. Marciano's style never relied on speed so that is out of the equation.

Marciano had a better style to fight bigger guys than Toney so that last bit is null and void.