Haye was clearly injured before the fight

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  1. On_The_Ropes

    On_The_Ropes Active Member Full Member

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    I can't believe some people are giving Bellew so much credit for beating a one legged opponent who was clearly injured going into the fight.

    Watch the fight again, Haye was throwing wild & off balance shots from the very first round because his Achilles injury prevented him from using the proper footwork technique. It was only in round six when his ankle completely crumbled that it became obvious to everyone.

    Haye should have pulled out of the fight, he probably choose to go through because he needed the money & knew he would get slated by everyone for pulling out of another fight, or maybe he thought he could land a lucky wild shot early before his ankle completely went either way the casuals & matchroom will look at this like Bellew is a legit heavyweight which is not the case!
     
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    This time yesterday, David Haye was so much better than Tony Bellew that he was expected to destroy him with a few punches, injury or not.
    Therefore, Bellew deserves all the credit in the world.
    Furthermore, Bellew CALLED it. Bellew ALWAYS said this would be how it goes. We all thought he was likely wrong.

    And on the other hand, Haye TOLD US ALL he had a "career ending inury" years ago. Yet it hasn't stopped all his mug fans from talking about how he'd destroy guys like AJ and J.Parker .... the types of heavyweights there's no evidence he could have beat even when he was prime and healthy.

    Anyway, Haye's been throwing wild and off-balance shots his whole career. He's never been the slick, pin-point punching destroyer some make him out to be. He was a pretty good puncher and fast hands, often looking to counter with a fast accurate shot, but he's always tended to be wild and scrappy when he puts a few together.
     
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    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You just nailed it completely to be fair.

    Just would like to add that Haye has pulled out of more fights through injuries than any of the current crop of active HWs. For a couple of those pull outs, he was not even injured. Haye is like the boy who cried wolf too many times, and was no longer able to cry wolf.

    I also refuse to accept a one off injury was the deciding factor in this fight. Haye is physically not the same fighter, after the injury that kept him out the ring for 4 years, due to age and due to inactivity- and he was never properly tested before this fight. Bellew was a lot better than everyone gave him credit for. Haye did catch him with kind of shots that have left others KTFO, but Bellew had the chin and heart to withstand it.

    A rematch is genuine 50-50 fight- if Haye is able to recover in the next 6 months and get in the ring again.
     
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    Haye looked absolutely awful from the first bell, swinging like a drunk, don't know wtf Shane M was training him for but Haye looked to have left all his boxing ability at the front door, he's just got worse since his come back. Desperately looking for the one punch knockout.
     
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    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn can **** off jumping in the ring celebrating like that. I hate him.
     
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    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If people can't see he was fuct from the first bell they need their eyes tested.

    Bellew didn't beat haye. He beat a former champ that was injured. No credit from me I'm afraid
     
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    On_The_Ropes Active Member Full Member

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    He was desperate because he knew he was carrying an injury, his footwork was so off & his stance was very wide, even as he was walking into the ring you could see him limping a bit. It looks like those rumours of him going to Germany to see his doctor about an Achilles injury were true after all. Haye should have stayed retired because his body clearly can't cope with be an athlete any more.
     
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    Ian_k Active Member Full Member

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    thing is if Haye would of pulled out of the fight he would of been a massive laughing stock

    he has pulled out of so many fights over the years - so he kinda had to go into it.
     
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    Yes it's a strange one really. I thought people would be saying the rumours about his achilles injury prefight were obviously true, which would explain his poor footwork/balance at the beginning and subsequent injury mid fight.

    But people were speaking like it wasn't really significant... that Tony Bellew upset a fully fit David Haye almost.

    I do think Haye must have known he was injured going into the fight, and was hoping to get an early KO... but a knackered achilles will reduce punching power and balance, and obviously it just got worse as the fight progressed.

    They both got a big payday out of it, and I am sure a rematch would also generate a lot of money... so not going to feel to bad for Haye. He is just seemingly injury prone at this stage of his career, so maybe try to avenge this loss and then retire.
     
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    I dunno, he must of done a lot of damage to his Achilles for carrying on for as long as he did, it might take him at least 8 months before he can even train again, even then there is a good chance he could pick up another injury, I think he should just hang up the gloves because his body can't take it no more.
     
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    Like many other great fighters before him and some that just keep going despite being shot to pieces, he came back out of retirement believing that he could be the same fighter that he was before.

    Watch Sugar Ray Leonard's fight against Terry Norris in 1991 on YouTube. It's a perfect example of age (and on a lesser scale, inactivity) blunting the tools that made him one of the greatest ever fighters. He could no longer throw a punch without getting caught himself on the way back out. He had aged overnight as they say. It's happened so many times.

    I acknowledge that this might sound unusual, but that injury sustained in round 6, was the best thing that could have happened to him last night. He was gassed, fading and Bellew was starting to get on top bigtime. That injury gave Haye the opportunity to demonstrate that he isn't some diva who makes excuses about sore toes and things like that. Instead it showed the whole world he's got a massive heart and an unbelievable who will to never give up.
     
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    what a load of bollocks

    excuses excuses excuses

    Bellew was also injured before the fight he hurt his leg but you didnt hear about that.
    he also hurt his hand in rnd 2 most likely broke.

    Haye was in the best shape of his life as he said and his sparring partners where all confirming how good he was and how sharp he was. Everyone was saying how sharp he was on the pads and he has never looked better.

    Bellew was making Haye miss before any injury occurred and taking his best shots without flinching.

    You can all say what ever you like but anyone who knows anything about boxing knows you never lose power its the very last thing that leaves a boxer and Haye couldnt hurt him in the slightest

    Bellew deserves all the respect in the world for what he has done but he want get it as most people hate to admit when they got it wrong and they will look for any reason to justify why they got their prediction wrong
     
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    Looks like the midweek achilles rumour may be true. Looking back sober now he struggled walking to the ring. The commentators mentioned at the time how long he took. He looked slow and had little footwork from the start. Swinging hopefully for a quick knockout. You can see from the first tussle how jumps off that foot after landing.

    He gets stick for his performance but would have been crucified for pulling out.
     
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    Had all his demands met, where he was able to come to the ring second even though he isn't a champion.

    - He had bellew go up to heavyweight.

    - The venue was in London,

    - He got to train how he likes in Miami.

    - Said he could knock bellew out with a jab, or one arm or one leg.

    - Said he was going to send bellew to the hospital and to wave goodbye to his family and friends because he was basically jumping in front of a train by fighting him.

    Everyone bought it, some even feared for Bellews safety. We were led to believe that he was stepping in the ring with the incarnated Mike Tyson.

    Now all we hear are excuses about injuries even though Haye said before the fight that he was feeling better than ever and more powerful than his younger self.

    There was nothing in the first 5 rounds, haye hit bellew with some good shots, and bellew showed composure by countering and keeping his distance and making haye swing widely. I had haye winning slighting by one round as the first two rounds went to bellew.

    Instead we are led to believe by Haye's muppet fanboys that he was all over bellew dishing out punishment until his leg gave way. When we know the reality is that haye was gassing from all the wild swings he was making which was a result of age, bellew's composure and haye's misguided belief that he could easily blast bellew the same way he blasted out the likes of De Mori.

    In the end no one is going to care or remember the injury, they will just see that he got beaten up like a boy after all the distasteful talk prior to the fight.
     
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  15. bladesman

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    The injury will be remembered. I wanted Haye to lose but lets not pretend it was a major part in the fight. Bellew's pre fight knee injury + weight gain seems to level out the one thing he had in his favour and that was the ability to go at it for 12 rounds.