Who's greater Miguel Cotto or Juan Manuel Marquez and why?

And he needs to do it convincingly

Marquez always fought his 4 fights with prime Manny and the Mayweather fight under often ridiculous concessions, while Ward fought with EVERYTHING in his favour

JMM Marquez 3 was a bigger robbery than Kovalev Ward

Marquez fought the brutal whirlwind 4 times. Ward is terrified to give Kovalev another crack and certainly wont go for Greatness by trying his skills out on Artur

You could argue the case for Cotto > Ward cause for a large part of his career Cotto Dared to be Great and took on Everyone. He - like Froch - took some losses - but unlike certain p4ps they Dared to be Great, and didnt demand everything stacked in their favour

 

FIght 1 - Manny almost kills Marquez in R1 (how ironic)

Hits Marquez get while he's down. Marquez tells Manny "you'll pay for that you *******". From about R3 proceeds to completely dominate the rest of the fight

Fight 2 - I couldnt score this it was so ridiculously even. A draw would have been a fair result

Fight 3 - Very clear win for JMM

 

Man that is Harsh.

Dont see how anyone other than extremely bitter Manny fans could "despise" Marquez

Can see it for you from Cotto - he beat your boy when he couldnt walk - but Juan? Fought no one but the best time time time again, changed his style from unbeatable counterpuncher to boxer puncher to ..... you remember my thread

Saying he just had Pacquiao's number is such a dig at Juan. He also had practically everyone he ever fought's number

He beat some amazing fighters in his career. His only two legit losses came against....

Bradley - Tim ran virtually the entire fight forcing an old shot Marquez to try and chase him around the ring and abandon his incredible counter punching instincts

Mayflower - Made Juan come up 3 divisions from his natural best - then Still was so scared he came in at "weight undisclosed". The cowardly little gerbil still didnt have the cojones to bring the fight to the counterpuncher

Bottom line is....

One's an ATG

The other Dared to try and be an ATG (huge props) but fell short

(this is a troll bait thread btw - Pimp couldnt stand my Beterbiev >/= Kovalev >>> Ward thread the other day)

 

Marquez probably suffers from the fact he was so thoroughly outclassed by Mayweather.

Rare that a so called 'ATG' would suffer such a humiliating lesson. A K.O. loss can happen - it takes just one mistake, losing a decision in a competitive fight - it happens.

Juan Manuel Marquez did not belong in the same ring as Floyd Mayweather Jr.
He does not belong in the same ring as Miguel Cotto.

Does Marquez' probable PED use not get taken into consideration?

 

If only Mayweather dared to step up and face Gennady to prove he was one of the best ever doh eh lolz?

Rare that a so called 'ATG' would suffer such a humiliatiing annihilation

 

But he didn't though, did he?
Marquez sold any claim to ATGness and mugged his own fans when Floyd cut him a cheque then bent him over.
I don't think comparisons to Floyd are helping your guy here.

 

Marquez, do not need to explain why, the reason is obvious!!!

 

Gotta go with marquez. Off the top of my head alot of cottos best wins were competitive and close fights (judah is an exception here)

Marquez got alot of clear wins with stoppages over what i feel to be better fighters.

Marquez also has close fights with better fighters aswell as holding the best single win of either man (the pac KO)

 

Dude martinez was ruined by his win over chavez. If im not mistaken his knee injury started during this fight and he carried it for a long time. He edged out a decision v murry which should be noted was in martinez back yard

Prime martinez honestly toys with cotto. I love both guys but cotto has no business at 154 or 160.

 

Hmm i dont really want to get into a debate with you mate, esp over something emotionally meaningful to me, but i'll try and answer some of those points you brought up

Whine - yeah he does, but he's had good reason. He's been robbed manny times in his career, and pretended he didnt exist by Naz and the other 2 Great Mexicans of his time

Roids - yeah he was roided in the 4th fight. Both were. Was wonderful seeing Manny get a taste of his own medicine

JMM 3 - that was as much of a draw as Kovalev Ward, only more blatant. Even notorious pac fans on here were saying pac clearly lost

Resume - Pac x4, Barerra, Juan Diaz, Katsidis, Casamayor. Killing that version of Pac is better than anything Floyd has ever done nevermind Cotto. Schooling him twice is ridiculous

Mayweather - a farce. Aside from being an ATG himself Floyd dragged JMM up way above a weight he should ever have been fighting at

At least he got well paid for that farce unlike his wars vs Manny - i'd be bitter too if i went through hell 4 times and got a pitiful share of the purse

 

Marquez and it's not even close.

 

Neither beat ATG at their best, true ATG.

This is a very tough one but I think I'll be in the minority (on this forum) and believe cotto lost to the better fighters, where Jmm lost to 2 head scratches, and h2h cotto wrecks him.

I believe they're pretty even but cotto is physically a little better where Jmm is mentally a little better. You'd think Jmm having the mental edge would make him the favorite, but I think it's too close to call..

I know why some pick Jmm, because he proved better than pac h2h, but what happens if cotto fights pac 4x ? Especially with a real trainer at a better weight ???