Morales' underestimating Barrera cost him the rubber match and the trilogy

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Going into the 3rd fight both fighters had split the series 1 win a piece. They essentially traded robberies. As Morales officially won the first fight, but most had Barrera winning 7-9 rounds with a KD too. And Morales probably won 7-8 rounds in the 2nd fight, but Barrera got the decision. Would have been nice to have the correct decisions awarded, but at the very least both men had won 1 of the 2 fights.

    Going into the first fight Barrera caught Morales off guard. Erik was used to being big, strong and tough for his opponents. He never really mastered how to use his 72 inch reach, long hard right cross from the outside. Nor did he learn to use his defense as well as he would later after this "loss". He never needed too. Meanwhile, Barrera after his losses to Junior Jones became a much better fighter. His defense improved dramatically and he was now an educated pressure fighter with tremendous combinations. Without a doubt the best left hook in the game and an improved right cross as well at that point. Morales could never land clean in that fight and he was continually hammered by Barrera all night long. Whatever physicality advantage he had was nullified. He had to find a different to beat Barrera than to physically overwhelm him.

    Then in the 2nd fight Morales showed a whole new look. After the first Barrera fight he got better. He really became a truly master boxer in 2001/2002. Probably the world's best fighter at that time as well. Look at his performance against Ayala. That style was in preparation for the Barrera rematch when he would outbox Barrera rather than go to war. Which he did, but didn't get the decision he deserved.

    Finally in the rubber match 2 years later they settled the score. Instead of using a similar gameplan to the 2nd fight, Morales tried to outbrawl Barrera. It backfired as he would never be able to beat Barrera legitimately in a brawl. He thought Barrera was too small for 130 perhaps. He thought the Pacquiao fight ruined him perhaps. Whatever it was he underestimated Barrera. Instead of using a similar gameplan to the 2nd fight. Instead of using his boxing skills, reach, speed and defense he chose to brawl with Barrera for the first half of the fight. What happened was Barrera sat in that pocket and just completely schooled Morales with combinations and body punching. When Morales finally switched it back up to boxing it was already over as Barrera had put too many early rounds in the bank and just had to stay on his feet to win.

    We've seen this too many times in boxing where a fighter underestimates his opponent. A notable one is when Hagler went southpaw against Leonard for the first 4 rounds and put himself in a 4 round hole like a complete dumbass.
     
  2. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting post. Morales is my favourite Mexican boxer and at their respective best I would favour Erik over Barrera despite the actual results.
     
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  3. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Personally my favourite trilogy of all time. I have great deal of respect for Barrera but I am a huge El terrible fan. All time warrior with uncanny feint and laser right hand.
    I agree with the OP regarding the result of the 3 fights. Barrera won the first, morales outbox him in the second and lost the third.
    Slightly disagree that the reason morales lost was because he underestimate Barrera. I think his warrior mentality plus the bad blood between the 2, got the best of him and Barrera managed to goad him into a war of exchanges. But regardless of the result in the third, I think morales wouldn't want it any other way.

    Barrera has all time boxing skill, was more compact and clean with his punches and a little bit faster with his combinations.
    He is also more defensive responsible in close encounter exchanges.
    Being the shorter guy, the war attritions and in fighting benefit him more than Morales, who in turn have most of his punches smothered.
    Morales could have won if he employ the same strategy as the rematch, but he will not be Morales if he did that.
     
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  4. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    Excellent write up. I agree with the robbery trades and i def agree barrera was a new man after jones losses and retirement

    What i dont really agree (or more see) is morales not utalising his reach... i thought he always held out that probing jab whist hopping in and out behind it well.

    I noted in ALOT of his fights the commentators would praise how amazing morales jab is but also said he does not use it often enough for how naturally good he is at it.


    Its a hard triology for me to enjoy. Barrera is and always will be my fav fighter and morales will always be right on his heels in second place..

    Its like watching your 2 kids fight.

    Based purely on boxing astetics i think morales has one of the most visually pleasing styles iv ever seen (marquez surely has to be number one right? Or finito lopez)
     
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  5. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    He didn't underestimate him.. you're putting too much thought into what he said going into that fight which was " I already beat him twice, I shouldn't even be fighting him a 3rd time". He fought him twice, and as it was he knew what to expect, so to say he underestimated him is just an excuse, because you want to glorify Morales win over a prime Pacquaio. MAB was the better man, point blank period. And styles makes fights, remember that next time.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Taking nothing away from either fighter. Its just my opinion that if Morales chose to box and move the 3rd fight he could have won. I thought he used the wrong strategy and it cost him a chance to win.

    Again, it's not my intention to take anything away from any fighter.
     
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  7. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    Great rivalry.
     
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  8. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I believe Erik wanted only to khtfo in the 3rd fight and almost accomplished that. Mab was finished and barely made the finish line.

    For some reason I seem to remember having Erik winning the 3rd and even scoring a body shot KD that the ref screwed him on. I'll have to revisit, all I know is Erik came out for me as the better fighter.

    Morales is definitely higher on the Mexican greats list, not by much but he's better, for sure career wise and for me personally h2h better
     
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  9. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    That kd by morales was in the 2nd fight. And iv seen it. Its a foot issue not really a fair knockdown.


    Barrera clearly made morales take a knee in the first fight late in the 12th tho. He gets him a beauty of a bodyshot
     
  10. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice write-up. While they had one of the greatest trilogies in the history of the sport, the robberies in the first two fights added a really weird dimension to their matches.

    I'd have to rewatch the 3rd fight again, but I always thought at that point in their careers that MAB was just the better overall fighter. When they first met up, Morales was arguably one of the 2 or 3 top P4P fighters in the sport while MAB was making his way back from his losses to Jones. I thought by their 3rd match, Morales was more shot (to put it bluntly,) compared to MAB.

    Nice example using Hagler-Leonard, a fight where Marvin absolutely gave away the first 4 rounds. You mentioned it was because of his southpaw tactics, but Hagler was a natural southpaw so Im a bit confused by that statement? Again, I haven't seen that fight in quite some time also, but what I remember was Leonard just outworked him in those first 4 rounds and clearly won them solely from being more active offensively. What I also remember in that match was Hagler than won the next 4 rounds clearly. That was a very odd match and unfortunately for Marvin, he faded too much in the championship rounds and gave it away. Leonard outworked him and he started that classical trend with certain fighters to press the gas offensively in the last 10-15 seconds of the round in order to "steal" close rounds. DLH was a master at that as well.
     
  11. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't remember Barrera almost being stopped in the 3rd fight.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yea, the bodyshot was brutal. I think it was a combination of fatigue, accumulation damage and then the bodyshot that make him take that knee. Morales really took an astonishing amount of punishment in that first fight. It war no doubt, but Morales really got the bad end of it. Whenever it seemed like there was a hard crisp flush shot that landed (there were many) it was almost always Barrera landing it.

    I scored that first fight wide for Barrera plus the knockdown. I favored Barrera's superior defense, aggression and better, harder, more damaging blows. Over Morales' workrate and activity.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think he may have been thinking about Barrera's exhaustion from the last round. Barrera was so tired that he almost unintentionally took a knee in the last round. Then Morales had him on the ropes, but I guess Morales' own fatigue and Barrera's will to win get him going. When Barrera almost went down from exhaustion and then Morales was throwing combos on Barrera and Barrera not throwing back it looks like for an instant that Barrera is about to be stopped.

    Barrera came very, very close to gassing out completely in that 3rd fight. A couple more rounds and he's a sitting duck. But hey he fought a 12 round fight and we don't have 15 rounders anymore so it is what it is. Good on for knowing just much energy to give.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Interesting. I thought that Barrera was completely back from the Jones losses. Those were 3 years ago before the 1st Morales fight and with Barrera being so young he capitalized on that chance to really improve and he did.
     
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