Who's the new Gatti?

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Who's the new Gatti?

  1. Salido

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  2. Vargas

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    The other night during Francisco Vargas' fight against Berchelt, Jim Lampley kept referring to Vargas as the modern Arturo Gatti, because he's been in two fight of the year fights. They cut over to Orlando Salido now and then and only mention that he was a past opponent, not that he's been in about seven fights like that. They didn't mention that Salido was routinely over matched, but he'd take on all comers; so he had a lot of red ink on his ledger like Gatti. They didn't mention the Roman Martinez fights, the Lopez fights, or the fight with Terdsak Kokietgym. Of course those fights were on Showtime and Box Azteca. Is he oblivious to everything but what happens on HBO?

    Not that Lampley's opinion matters. Max Kellerman had to remind him of Matthew Saad Muhammad and Bobby Chacon, who were every bit the exciting blood and guts warriors that Gatti was. Anyway, who do you think is the heir apparent to the late great Arturo Gatti?
     
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    salido

    like Gatti he fought for a number of years. fought many greats beat some very good fighters and held multiple world titles and when paired in a guaranteed war they delivered

    will say Gatti was more skilled
     
  3. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    Salido. Like Gatti, Salido can be hurt, dropped, & stopped but it's always entertaining.
     
  4. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  5. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Theres a few of them.

    Salido
    Vargas
    Prodnikov
    John Molina Jr
    Bradley
    Juanma
    Gamboa
    Pacquiao if he fights a significant opponent
    Donaire
    Darchinian
    Berto
    Robert Guerro
    Broner if he fights another top fighter

    Honorable mentions on their way to the Gatti path:
    Porter
    Brook if he keeps fighting top opposition

    We're talking about war torn guys who are entertaining taking damage and get beat right.
     
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  7. like a boss

    like a boss have gloves will travel Full Member

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    Michael Katsidis is the old new Gatti.
     
  8. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Salido got stopped earlier in his career pre-2000, in his prime or even past his prime he's become tough as nails, hasn't been stopped. Either ways, he's been among the most exciting fighters in the world and he's never in a dull fight, you'll always get your money's worth. And he's been doing it way longer than Vargas came to the scene, no disrespect to El Bandido. But Salido has been the new Gatti for sometime Imo.
     
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  9. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    I don't think there's a good comparison around tbh.
     
  11. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was vargas but they ruined him. Gatti was special because he also deteriorated a lot slower than one would think given all the punishment he took
     
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  12. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Demons outside of the ring probably deteriorated him more than the accumulated damage from ring in all honesty(as crazy as that sounds).... That ****ing Brazilian ***** killed him too.
     
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  13. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup. tragedy. He deserved to ride off into the sunset as much as anyone.
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Yeah, that's part of it, but the definition I was working from was the guy who's been in the most great fight of the year contender type fights. Salido has 7, Vargas has 2. That was the point I was making.

    Looking over your list I don't think a lot of them qualify. Provodnikov has one fight with Bradley, plus maybe his fight with Matthysse. John Molina Jr was really only good against Matthysse. Bradley was only interesting that one time against Provodnikov. I've always found him boring. Does Juanma Lopez have good fights besides the two with Salido we already covered? Gamboa stunk the joint out yesterday. He's got one exciting fight, that one with Crawford.

    Pacquiao doesn't count because he was a pound for pound dude all time great for about a decade. That's not what Gatti was. Pacquiao had more good fights than Gatti even, but he was like Ali, supremely talented on top of being entertaining. Pacquiao had the first Morales fight, the first and fourth Marquez fights, Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito. You go back and watch that Torrecampo fight and it's short but sweet.

    Donaire was exciting, but none of his exciting fights were compelling, or back and forth affairs. The first part of his career was just interesting because of how dominant he was against his competition, like a young Mike Tyson, or Golovkin. Gatti and Salido get into long sustained action packed wars.

    Haven't seen enough Darchinyan to say, but Berto definitely fits the mold. He had great fights with Ortiz and Guerrero. Broner definitely doesn't fit that mold. His fights are only fun to watch when he's getting his ass kicked, and that's not do to his boxing as much as his behavior out of the ring.

    Brook is very much not what I am talking about. Brook is too elite, too skilled, and hasn't been in any blood and guts wars. A decent effort against Golovkin just isn't enough. Porter might be an action hero if he gets the right partners.

    I'm looking for guys with a long list of great fights, but who maybe aren't elite themselves. Juan Manuel Marquez had 2 great Pacquiao fights, plus his fights with Diaz and Katsidis were superlative as well. But he was a pound for pound guy and too elite to be just a blood and guts warrior. People were interested in his career and his skills. A guy like Brandon Rios who has two excellent matches with Alvarado qualifies. I'm talking about the Bobby Chacon's more than the Alexis Arguello's.

    A good example of what I'm talking about is Monty Meza Clay, Giovanni Segura, or Hernan Marquez, Michael Katsidis, and Micky Ward. They aren't really household names, but they've generally given us more entertainment than the household names.
     
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  15. Rumple

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    She did, Arguello got killed around the same time sadly most of the people on this board just go along with the suicide angle, Gatti hung himself with a purse strap..? and apparently must have "fallen" on a steak knife that wounded the back of his head, and Arguello shot himself in the front of the chest ...strange. Don't have to be a detective to figure foul play happened.