Gennady Golovkin's reign surpasses Marvin Hagler's reign

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Chuck Norris, Mar 26, 2017.


Page 4 of 9
  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    yeah the "elevation to major" is a bit of a scabby backdoor way to win a title, only just behind the backdoorish "winning a vacant title", but its fair play bearing in mind that since then he has made several world level defences.
     
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    #46
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    yeh a great shame. all those years. surely cant be a coincidence ahem.
     
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    #47
  3. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,740
    89
    Jan 14, 2011
    The WBA regular belt at that point wasn't the top title due to the introduction of the super distinction (and yes I'm aware that Sturm's elevation was itself a result of ducking Golovkin). It would be like counting the WBC Diamond belt as the full title or pretending Jacobs was a champion going into the Golovkin fight.
     
    purephase, Mar 27, 2017
    purephase, Mar 27, 2017
    #48
  4. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    26,059
    37,246
    Aug 31, 2016
    Jacobs was a champion heading to the Golovkin fight
     
    Chuck Norris, Mar 27, 2017
    Chuck Norris, Mar 27, 2017
    #49
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

    123,070
    35,184
    Jun 23, 2005
    Another idiot who knows nothing about boxing. Log off jackass.
     
    Pimp C, Mar 27, 2017
    Pimp C, Mar 27, 2017
    #50
    drenlou and Jackomano like this.
  6. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

    15,707
    503
    May 25, 2009
    No. Martinez became lineal when he beat Kelly Pavlik. He didn't lose that distinction until the Cotto fight.
     
    Nay_Sayer, Mar 27, 2017
    Nay_Sayer, Mar 27, 2017
    #51
  7. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

    9,183
    664
    Jan 6, 2011
    Well, GGG beat the best 147 lb fighter (meh), he beat the best 160 lb fighters (DJ, DL), he is on his way to fight the 2nd best 160 lb fighter in BJS and then potentially he has two fights against the biggest/best 154 lb fighters ( Canelo/Charlo).

    I'd say those are excellent names. Too bad they come so late in his career.
     
    Peril, Mar 27, 2017
    Peril, Mar 27, 2017
    #52
    DKD likes this.
  8. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

    9,183
    664
    Jan 6, 2011
    If he beats Ward and Kovalev I'd place him above Hagler.

    Except he won't.
     
    Peril, Mar 27, 2017
    Peril, Mar 27, 2017
    #53
    The Akbar One likes this.
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007

    Well GGG hasn't lost or draw either. And Hagler was retired by 34. GGG presses on with more successful title defenses.

    Lineal is nice, but its not GGG's fault Canelo and Martinez wanted no part of him!
     
    Mendoza, Mar 27, 2017
    Mendoza, Mar 27, 2017
    #54
    Staminakills likes this.
  10. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,583
    8,860
    Jul 30, 2012
    6 years, 7 months, 10 days, and counting, is a long time to own a division. Particularly when there is no end in sight.
     
    like a boss, Mar 27, 2017
    like a boss, Mar 27, 2017
    #55
    Staminakills likes this.
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

    49,569
    16,100
    Jul 19, 2004
    My reply was in regards to the opening post, which claimed, "Marvin Hagler was the undisputed middlweight champion for 6 years, 7 months and 10 days, Golovkin surpassed it yesterday".

    That is factually incorrect, because GGG isn't undisputed.

    I don't disagree with what you're saying about the lineal title - it's not GGG's fault that he can't land a fight with Canelo and that he couldn't land one with Sergio.

    But my comment, in the context of the original post, is entirely accurate.
     
    Rumsfeld, Mar 27, 2017
    Rumsfeld, Mar 27, 2017
    #56
  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    no. regualr is not a world title. each org can only offer one world title - there is only one world.
     
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    HerolGee, Mar 27, 2017
    #57
    dinovelvet likes this.
  13. DKD

    DKD Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,439
    316
    Dec 16, 2010
    Hagler wasn't undisputed champ for 6 years and 7 months.

    Hagler took the WBA and WBC belts from Minter in 1980 but he didn't get the IBF strap until 1983.

    Therefore he was only undisputed champ for closer to 3 years.

    Furthermore there was no WBO, WBA Super or Ring belts available during his reign.
     
    DKD, Mar 27, 2017
    DKD, Mar 27, 2017
    #58
    kk17 and Peril like this.
  14. sponge

    sponge Active Member Full Member

    675
    188
    Jun 12, 2015
    GGG has most number of title defenses in a short period. If he ties BHop"s record of 20 and beat
    Saunders, he wjll be a true middleweight updisputed champ.
     
    sponge, Mar 27, 2017
    sponge, Mar 27, 2017
    #59
  15. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,583
    8,860
    Jul 30, 2012
    The IBF strap wasn't born until 1983.
     
    like a boss, Mar 27, 2017
    like a boss, Mar 27, 2017
    #60
    DKD and Nay_Sayer like this.
Page 4 of 9