Roberto Duran Would've SCHOOLED Floyd Mayweather Jr. 9-3!

There is no "agenda", I don't hate Floyd, I just favor Duran. Stop taking it personally.

De La Hoya had just as much success as Cotto tactically with the jab, so your speculation about Floyd fighting an even fresher version of Cotto at welterweight falls flat. Floyd's reflexes were perfectly intact for the Cotto fight, just look at how much sharper he looked against Canelo. Reducing Cotto's success with the jab to age is lazy and dishonest.

Years ago before Floyd fought multiple southpaw welterweights and before Pacquiao showed visible signs of aging, I thought Pacquiao could give Floyd a competitive fight, but by the time they signed to fight I heavily favored Floyd. Which doesn't have anything to do with Duran, really. Duran can actually cut a ring off and fight inside, he doesn't rely on ambushes like Pacquiao and never got knocked out at welterweight.

Who did Duran struggle with that had longer arms and movement? What Duran fights have you actually watched? Or are you still relying on the Leonard rematch, which was A. competitive, and B. featured a style of movement that Floyd doesn't typically employ?

So you're saying that Castillo and Maidana, along with Cotto, who fought Floyd at entirely different points of his career, all caught Floyd either too green for the weight or too old? Why is that easier to believe than the fact that Floyd can get backed up? De La Hoya did it, Augustus did it, Hatton did it. It's fixed into Floyd's default style. There is no "agenda" in saying that Floyd has a flaw. God forbid someone says Floyd's style has any type of flaw. You can't acknowledge any weakness at all and it hurts your credibility.

If Floyd loves pressure then why did he move and clinch to an unusually high degree against both Maidana and Castillo in the rematches?

I don't disagree with what you're saying with Zab, but 4 good rounds aren't as good as two razor close decisions. Which is what Castillo and Maidana forced Floyd to concede through pressure.

Landing counters here and there early doesn't mean he was able to maintain distance for most of the fight.

Okay, let's revisit that fight. Double speed makes it easy to study the ring geography.

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In round 1, the fight is fought mostly in the center, but Hatton is closing the distance and forcing the clinch. Floyd's back touches the ropes numerous times as he backs up setting up shots.

Round 2, more of the same. In fact, what you say doesn't really contradict what I'm saying here. Floyd in the first two rounds tries to set up shots by going straight backwards and backs himself right into the corner. Towards the end of the round Hatton is increasingly able to press Floyd and work.

Round 3, Hatton is pinning Floyd against the ropes by the middle of the round. Floyd lands shots in the middle, and Hatton inevitably pushes him back again.

Round 4 opens with Hatton pushing Floyd against the ropes. The first minute is fought in the same corner. They go to the middle but still at close range. The next minute and a half is fought in the clinch. The last 30 seconds Hatton has Floyd on the ropes again.

Round 5 opens with Floyd's back on the ropes again. The first two minutes and change the entire fight is fought in that same corner. The rest of the last minute is fought in the clinch, in the center and again on the ropes.

Round 6 opens with Floyd against the ropes. He momentarily gets off them then is right back there. Cortez deducts that point as Floyd is through the ropes. Floyd fights on and off the ropes. Floyd finds himself on the ropes from the middle of the round onward.

Round 7, Floyd is dancing around and trying to set up sharp shots. Hatton inevitably closes the distance within the first 30 seconds. They fight in the clinch the whole rest of the round.

Round 8, Floyd fights at range for the first 30 seconds, then they go back into the clinch where Floyd is trying to land damaging shots and mixing in long range straight shots. By the middle of the round Hatton has him against the ropes. They spend the rest of the round in the same area, Floyd's corner, at close quarters.

Round 9, Floyd is moving a lot, and 30 seconds in they're in the clinch again. 30 seconds later Floyd is back to jabbing. 20 seconds later Hatton backs up Floyd against the ropes again. At the one minute mark Floyd is back to jabbing and Hatton is spent.

Round 10, Floyd walks Hatton into the check hook and the rest is history.

So, it looks like I was exactly right, Floyd fought most of the fight on the inside against Hatton with his back against the ropes in most of the rounds. I can't really fathom you having a different view of where the fight was fought.

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What is this multitude of slicksters you keep saying Duran lost to in his prime? I'm waiting to hear the specifics on that one.

Floyd was defensively better than Leonard but Leonard was more complete and had as good a ring IQ. Leonard outboxed Benitez which is a more impressive feat from a technical standpoint than Floyd has on his resume. Leonard also mixed the shoulder roll with his high guard. Floyd doesn't do anything Duran hasn't seen. Duran does do things Floyd has never seen.

It's not that I don't like it, it's that you don't have an argument specific to Floyd's style. You use the broadest categories of reach, as if shorter men never win against long armed boxers, as if Duran didn't overcome longer boxers multiple times.

As for being more correct about Floyd, I've never picked against Floyd, so my record is perfect, as perfect as yours. Now as to who was more correct in predicting fights, let's look at what we each said about the Cotto fight right before it was signed.

Which description looks more accurate to you? Cotto had success with the things I said he'd have success with, and Floyd wasn't able to back Cotto up at all like you were so confident he would.

Again, stop taking this personally. Floyd is not your mother. Just debate the fight. You could never accuse me of being as biased against Floyd as you are in favor of him. Stop clutching at straws bringing up other predictions that make you look bad, just explain to me why Floyd's style trumps Duran's. Referencing fights and describing them would be good and lend credibility to the fact you've watched "plenty" of Duran fights. (I think we both know you haven't though.)

 

Bogo giving Pimp an absolute roasting.

 

Pimp C knows that skill for skill Duran has Mayweather beat. Typically when you are technically outclassed you try and physically overwhelm your opponent. That is often done through attrition or blitzing them. Since Floyd is risk averse nor a pressure fighter I don't see him getting into a war of attrition with Duran. And he's not big, fast or strong enough to physically overwhelm Duran. Take Leonard who was bigger, faster and stronger than Floyd. He couldn't even physically overwhelm Duran. It took somebody with the size, speed and power of Hearns to physically overwhelm Duran.

 

This guy keeps touting Floyd's physical advantages over Duran. First he's not that much bigger than Duran. Second he's not even as fast as Leonard. Third Mayweather is not a particular hard puncher. Fourth he's not really a high stamina high workrate fighter.

He simply has more reach and maybe a little more speed than Duran. Yet Duran may even have faster combinations than Floyd himself.

 

Tommy Hearns had an absolute absurd amount of reach, speed and power that the much smaller Duran could not handle.

Floyd cannot pull a Hearns and overwhelm Duran.

 

I have only this account , i dont know what a Mikelazcano is .

Only because i am not your opinion , does not mean , that this is a fake account.
Forum bully , i dont know what your problem is , i am always discussing boxing.

I did not even know what an alt is , before somebody insinuated that i am maybe one.

Maybe you are obsessed with so called "alts" , i dont care about it.
Maybe i hurt your feelings and i am not really sorry about that.

Read my Posts , i was exactly explaining why i think that Mayweather is a better boxer in the other thread.

I dont care about your old legends , i live in the here and now, i have seen a lot of footage from Duran
and was not really so impressed to say that he is the best of all time or even better than Mayweather.

So if you are butthurt , because i dont think that your hero Roberto Duran is the greatest technical boxer
of all time , i could not care less.

 

He would have knocked Mayweather out. No question

 

Too much ignorance on the hypocritical b.s.. take your own pathetic logic. you're taking 1 close fight that fmj clearly won and saying that happens 100% of the time and at the same time ignoring all the struggles Duran had with far lesser fighters acting like they never happened.

The legends of the past can't lose, it's almost impossible for fans to accept they aren't the gods people wish they were. Fmj was on a different level especially to Duran who struggled with many fighters that couldn't win a single round off half fmj cv.

Accept the fact all claimed with past greats are clearly fans loving the fighters their dad's loved growing up. Duran had a great but up and down career. How could anyone with the talent so many claim existed fail to implement the skills so many times on fight night

 

9-3? No way.. SRL version of Duran might make it close, like win 5 rounds but I don't see him beating Floyd. Floyd has too much speed, reflexes, and defensive technique to lose to Duran. Besides, we all know that technical brilliance and speed frustrates the hell out of Duran..

 

Floyd Mayweather mastered the sport of boxing like no other fighter in history did it before him.
He retired unbeaten and still at the top.
He made the most money and he did not get hurt.

Boxing is like a chess match and he mastered every task ,which had given to him.
And he would master the Duran task too.

Take away the personalities.
Floyd Mayweather has flaws , Roberto Duran has flaws and Muhammad Ali had flaws.

Nobody is an angel , some of you are biased against him because of his personality,
you should remember that all of the greats were hated at their primes.

Muhammad Ali was hated , Sonny Liston was hated , Mike Tyson was hated , Jack Johnson
was hated and so is Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd Mayweather will get the respect he deserves when time has passed , like it was with all
the other great champions who were hated.

 

Duran wins at 135 and probably 140. 147 is a toss up. Floyd wins at 154.

 

This thread is nothing but circle jerk for Floyd haters. Nonetheless the facts remain unchanged. Floyd retired undefeated and it kills them. Duran as great as he was also got outboxed by guys like Kirkland Laing and Esteban Dejesus. We know SRL gave Duran little movement and made him quit. Hard to think Floyd wouldn't do the same.