If Wilder was from the UK......

David Haye was already an undisputed cruiserweight champion in like his 20th fight, and even at heavyweight he fought the number one heavyweight. There's no comparison. David Haye was the wrong fighter to campare to Wilder

 

Its not just about chin but experience. Sure D Price was stopped but I doubt he would have been stopped by a 6-6-0 fighter who was wel inside SMW when they turned pro, so inside that time he would have been learning.
Many fighters could get stopped in their 16th fight when facing a seasoned fighter.
Price didnt have as many learning fights and its in the learning fights where they learn, whether that is knowing when to defend, hold on etc.
Who knows how Wilder would have faired if in his 16th fight he had of been stepped up the same.
In Prices 14th fight he was facing A Harrison. Around 6 months later Wilder was facing the A Harrison in his 28th fight

 

It's a balance. You could say that David price was rushed, but then he was a top prospect. He was a gold medalist. Personally I think it's Wilder that is going too slow. Over 30 fights, a world champion and still hasn't got a name on his record, to me that's just not good enough. The likes of Holyfield, Tyson, lewis they all were having names on their records way before their 30th fight, same goes for most of the heavyweight champions to be honest.

 

If Wilder had been from the UK, and won a Bronze Medal in the heavyweight division in the 2008 Olympics (as he did), Wilder would've turned pro along with the UK's other amateur standouts like Billie Joe Sanders, James DeGale, David Price and Frankie Gavin and been featured on Sky Sports in 2009 (usually all together) or other channels ... and been well paid for his TV fights ... unlike what actually happened to Wilder.

Wilder likely would've been fighting the likes of Matt Skelton, Martin Rogan, Sam Sexton for the British and Commonwealth belts, which Wilder would've won by quick, brutal KOs on national television to much fanfare.

David Haye, who was a WBA champ at the time, likely would've asked to spar with him (which they did later in real life) and Haye would've become friends with him.

The real rivalry would've likely been with David Price, who also won a Bronze at the 2008 games (at super heavy).

Wilder and Price likely would've met for British and Commonwealth belts around 2012 in a huge British showdown, maybe on the same card or around the time as when Haye and Chisora settled their feud in 2012.

Wilder would've obliterated the fragile-chinned Price. Wilder would've been seen as the next big British boxing star around the time Anthony Joshua won the gold medal in 2012.

After scorching Audley Harrison and leaving former WBO champ Sergei Liakhovich twitching on the floor in 2013, Wilder probably would've fought Stiverne for the vacant WBC heavyweight title in 2014 (instead of Arreola challenging Stiverne for it).

Wilder beat's Stiverne a year earlier than when they actually fought. Wilder knocks out Arreola (who was a top contender at the time) in 2014, too (instead of in 2016).

Povetkin still would've been a drug cheat, so they never would've fought.

It may have been Wilder who challenged Wlad (for Wlad's IBF/WBA/WBO belts) in 2015 instead of Tyson Fury.

If so, Wilder may have unified all the titles that night versus Wlad, and then been stripped by the IBF shortly thereafter because he (Wilder) had signed the rematch clause with Wlad. Then Joshua picks that belt up from Charles Martin.

Or, maybe Tyson Fury gets the Wlad fight just as he did, and Joshua won the IBF belt like he did ... and Wilder would just be viewed today as the SENIOR and MOST OFFICIAL of the UK champs.

Either way, Wilder would be a monster star in the UK right now ... instead of coming up the hard way (which is what actually happened) ... where he had to go to 26-0 with 26 KOs before Showtime really even bothered to start promoting him.

If he'd been on television in the UK, and grabbed a medal in the Olympics for GB, and won domestic titles early on in his career, he'd be much bigger today.

Hell, this guy fought in near total obscurity in the States with no TV deals fighting on small town boxing shows with no press at all. He got no support coming out of the Olympics, or for the first four or five years of his pro career, at all.

The UK would never let an Olympic boxing medalist at heavyweight toil in obscurity for the first five years of his pro career (while he's knocking everyone out) ... and just ignore him like was the case with Wilder in the U.S.

If Wilder had been a UK fighter ... Wilder-Joshua right now would be viewed like Ali-Frazier 1 was back in 1971 in the States ... as the upcoming Fight of the Century.

 

David Price won a bronze medal in the same Olympics as Wilder won his bronze medal.

The difference was, in the UK, Price was given star treatment. His pro debut was nationally televised. Tyson Fury was already calling him out (before his pro debut). The TV guys were drumming up interest.

On the other hand, Wilder had to fight in Bumblef*ck County USA for most of his first five years as a pro, with no real support at all and literally zero TV coverage nationally and no allies to get him any name opposition.

If Wilder had been from the UK and treated like Price had been right out of the gate, Wilder would be a huge star. Price has failed miserably a handful of times already ... and people are still on his bandwagon based on his early TELEVISED successes. If Wilder was the WBC champ, and British AND he was 38-0 with 37 KOs ... they'd already be naming streets after him.

 

I actually think they ve brought wilder on perfectly. Maybe wasted a bit too much time fighting complete novices in the first three years trying to keep that early k/o record going. But because he was out 7 or 8 times a year it wasnt that important. Hes grew as a fighter. Think he would have been a prime candidate for getting taken out if they rushed him too soon. At the end of the day what is he 31 ready to challenge guys at the top undefeated...still fresh etc. With wins under his belt against 6 or 7 fringe contenders. Had him in hayes camp...in klitchko,s etc. Plus 31s not really old for a heavyweight. If the povetkin fight never fell through it would have been perfect timing for me. Regardless now hes maybe one or two decent wins away for challenging the very top of the division. Its not been that bad.

 

cleaned out cw? that is the most hilarious statement ever. he beat a glass jawed bum then struggled past mormeck. two notable wins at cw.

 

Definitely not. Mike Tyson was a hero over here.

 

if he was from the UK

he would be the next messiah

 

Same with Pacquiao over here.

Doesn't change what I said.

 

Behind White Rhino and Gary Cornish for sure.

 

In response to the statement I quoted.

Haye kept his fanbase despite being an annoying puke. And he went as long as possible at HW without taking any risk relative to the checks his mouth was writing and his fans were singing.

 

Well yes, it changes everything. You claimed he wasn't liked because of ethnic hate. I just contradicted you with overwhelming evidence.

 

People root for competitors who share their nation of origin or nation of representation. That's what I said. You disagree? Ironically, USA is the one country where that seems much less true. It's "uncool" to root for America over here. More people associate, cheer for, or pretend a big connection with the nation that their grandparents came from.

 

Nationality, yes. When you brought ethnicity into it, it seemed as if you were getting at race. My mistake.