Does tyson fury still defeat Wembley klitschko?

Look i'm just saying Joshua is still unbeaten . Wlad should have finished
Joshua but that's boxing . He took the wrong option and he will always
look back on that moment should i have done it different.

 

Your're forgetting Wlad's performance against Joshua was two levels above the effort he put in on Fury, and Fury will never be in that shape again. He weighs 350lb ffs.

 

But was Wladimir's performance better because he had a fighter coming towards him instead of a fighter like Fury who boxed on the backfoot? Different styles, different outcomes. Fury might never be the same again, that I can agree with, and maybe Wladimir can beat Fury, who knows. Great thing about heavyweight boxing is anything can happen. One punch can change a fight.

 

He fought someone BETTER in joshua and won...sorry but fury would not out box wlad if he was aggressive he would get put on the canvas sooner than later....the biggest threat to wlad is someone who can be aggressive and punch not out box him...of course you wouldnt know this.

 

Great post.

Most people are overlooking the huge differences in his opponents and their styles.


He was great against Pulev.

He was poor against Jennings.

He was poor and ultra cautious against Tyson.

He looked great against Joshua.

 

Great post.

I'd be interested to see that.

I've always been of the opinion that most people don't realise just how much psychology plays a part in the outcome of a fight.

 

I think he's got to be looking at 2 low level opponents before he comes back into the mix. But the question is: Has he got the motivation to fight those types of fights?

 

Why didn't Wlad starch Tyson in Dusseldorf?

It's easy to say that the version of Wlad from Wembley would have starched Tyson. But the reality is: That version of Wlad from Wembley, in that same mindset, wouldn't exist against Tyson. Because it's a completely different fight, against a completely different fighter, one who makes him uncomfortable in press conferences etc.

The fact is: Against Tyson, he was ultra cautious, whereas against Joshua, he was more confident and aggressive.

Styles make fights.

When he beat Pulev, most of his fans on here claimed he was in great shape and still the best HW in the world.

When he beat Jennings, most of his fans claimed he was shot and he was nearing the end.

When he lost to Fury, most of his fans were calling for him to retire.

Now all of a sudden he looks better than ever, and this version would have beaten Fury with absolute ease.

It's a joke.

It's the same guy, just in a different mindset, depending on the circumstances.

 

It's easy to say: If he goes into a Fury fight with a different mindset...

The key word there, is: IF.

Why isn't he on Wlad's level?

Why didn't Wlad throw a punch when he had the opportunity?

Why did he say afterwards that he didn't know why he couldn't change tactics mid-fight?

You say now he's taken a punch from AJ, he wouldn't fear Fury. Yet going into the fight with Fury: he'd survived against other big punchers, he'd been unbeaten for 11 years, and he knew that Fury wasn't heavy handed, as well as knowing that he'd been dropped by a CW in Cunningham.

How can you say that Joshua and Wlad are on another level? That's just silly. They're more powerful, with different attributes. But until they beat Tyson, they certainly can't be classed as being on another level.

 

We don't know if Joshua is better overall than Fury, and he isn't from a technical standpoint.

IF. That's all we keep reading.

The word: IF, is the biggest word in the English language. It can be applied to anything.

"IF Wlad was more aggressive...."

Great.

Why wasn't he??

The biggest threat to Wlad, is someone who is: Big, with great movement, and who is supremely confident.

 

Well I don't know of course. Wladimir himself has spoken of his hunger for redeeming himself against Joshua and his "obsession" with becoming a 3 time champion. He has also said he fought in the safety first manner we had become used to because he was protecting his championship status.
Maybe he really did suffer from the documented mental distractions which led to his non-performance versus Fury?
Maybe Wlad was too engrained in his jab-grab-lean octopus style? (it had worked pretty well uptil then)
Maybe he became complacent and treated Fury like other challengers through arrogance?
Maybe he thought since Fury wasn't doing much either, he could steal a home decision?

It's a hard one to answer because its hard to understand why he didn't go for broke (before the last round) against Fury. My belief is he lacked the drive/hunger he displayed last weekend as well as being bamboozled by Fury's style and size. Not to mention, Tyson (as usual) won the mental war in the build up. Never forget the sauna incident.

Or, Maybe you are right and Tyson Fury is just Wlad's stylistic nightmare who would always beat him. You are aware boxers who lose a bout often win the rematch surely, it is not as 'out there' as an opinion as you may think.

You mention in you're own post the reasons I think the way I do. Please don't put words in my mouth either, I never once mentioned Wlad beats any version of Fury with absolute ease or anything like it.

 

No disrespect to Fury and his awkward style which did cause Wlad problems, but I personally think the motivated version of Wlad we saw vs. Joshua beats Fury. I also think Fury believes this himself which is why he bailed on the rematch twice. Unfortunately as a result all we have are these guesses and opinions.

 

No. Fury sucks

 

Yes. Wlad was doing nothing in the Joshua fight in the first 4 rounds as in the Fury fight. When Joshua dropped him and was about to take him out, Wlad no choice but to throw some real punches. If it was up to him, he would've moved and pawed at Joshua all night hoping for a close decision but probably losing close.