Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

klompton2
Sorry dumbass but when Floyd was 28 he weighed 147, same as his last fight. When Chavez was 28 he weighed 143, he weighed 146 in his last fight, 143 in the fight before that. Unless you get fat or take steroids you arent adding 20 pounds of muscle in late 20s early 30s.

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Jeanette never got fat, even past his prime, and weight lifting to build muscle was taboo in that era so dont pretend he suddenly beefed up. The bottom line is you are wrong and have no sources to back up your stupid ass contention anyway, as usual.

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Langford was 5'.7.5" . In an earlier post you posted some absolute rubbish that you hadn't taken any trouble to verify BullSh*t such as Johnson stood a good foot taller than Langford.and 40lbs lighter.
[If Johnson had weighed 200lbs in1906 how come when he won the title in1908, at the age of 30, he had somehow lost 8lbs!]

This would make Johnson 6' 7.5"and 200lbs for their fight, yet we know he was 6'.25"and 185lbs
Here are the contemporary tale of the tape reports of the Jeannette Johnson fight
Johnson was listed as 28 years old,205lbs and 6'.25"tall.
Jeannette was listed as 24years old,[he was actually 26.]and 185lbs.
Sources
The Baltimore American
The Baltimore Sun
I back my statements with primary sourced reports.
Where are your sources?

Deafening Silence!!!!

 

Yet you posted saying Johnson out weighed Langford 40lbs and was a foot taller! The same height as Vitali Klitschko Jess Willard must have been over 7foot!

 

mcvey, Langford was 5'.7.5" . In an earlier post you posted some absolute rubbish that you hadn't taken any trouble to verify BullSh*t

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such as Johnson stood a good foot taller than Langford.and 40lbs lighter.

This shows how little you understand things, first off this was an exaggeration by the reporter, you know this or rather you should know that the reporter has writer privilege so to make a point he will use an ana-logy. The point that obviously escapes you that the writer was correct Johnson was taller and heavier by a substantial amount. So in all your "wisdumb" you key on "a foot taller" and that "Langford was 40 pds lighter". Nitpicking at it's best. The the point this reporter was making was true and factual, Johnson was the heavier and taller man.
Why argue differently he was. Anybody seeing Langford together next to Johnson would see there was a substantial size difference which you deny exists.

[If Johnson had weighed 200lbs in1906 how come when he won the title in1908, at the age of 30, he had somehow lost 8lbs!]

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This would make Johnson 6' 7.5"and 200lbs for their fight,

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yet we know he was 6'.25"and 185lbs

Thank you finally, so if he was 6' 1/4" and 185


Here are the contemporary tale of the tape reports of the Jeannette Johnson fight
Johnson was listed as 28 years old,205lbs and 6'.25"tall.
Jeannette was listed as 24years old,[he was actually 26.]and 185lbs.

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Sources
The Baltimore American
The Baltimore Sun
I back my statements with primary sourced reports.
Where are your sources?

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mcvey,Yet you posted saying Johnson out weighed Langford 40lbs and was a foot taller! The same height as Vitali Klitschko Jess Willard must have been over 7foot!

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Uh, oh here 'tis enjoy

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JOHNSON AND JENNETTE

The two big blacks who will who will mix for 15 rounds

Jack Johnson and Joe Jennette the colored HW’s, meet tonight

Before the Eureka Athletic Club, in Baltimore to do battle for 15rds.

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“Johnson is recognized as the best black HW, and Jennette is regarded as the leader of the LHW’s of color”

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Evening star., March 14, 1906, Page 9, Image 9

Heavyweight Contest Tonight.

Next in importance to the Nelson-McGovern battle in Philadelphia will be the heavy weight scrap before the Eureka Club of Baltimore tonight, which, while the affair has not been loudly heralded abroad, will be of national Interest nevertheless. The gladiators will be the blacks. Jack Johnson of California and Joe Jeannette of the east. Everything that Johnson does in the ring is noted all over the country, because he is believed by many to be the only possible successor to champion James Jeffries at this stage of affairs. These big fellows have already met three times, each time at six rounds, and not one of the battles was satisfactory so far as an affair that was worthy to draw out all that was in either man. It certainly speaks well for Jeannette, as while he is the lighter man, a light heavyweight In fact. Johnson could do nothing decisive with him. This time they come together for fifteen rounds and there should certainly be something doing.


Evening star., March 15, 1906, Page 9, Image 9

Johnson Got Decision.

There was a packed house at the Germania Maennerchor Hall, Baltimore, last night. The Eureka Athletic Club had billed as the star fighters of the evening Jack Johnson of California and Joe Jeannette of New York, two big colored men. Johnson has a reputation; Jeannette Is looking for one. Johnson did not add to his reputation, and Jeannette made none they were booked to fight fifteen rounds. The exhibition of boxing was a good one. It looked as if Johnson should have stopped or put out his man in quick order He looked to be able to do this, but there was no occasion for him to do It. He got the decision at the end of the fifteenth round and had not distressed his man.


The times Dispatch., March 16, 1906, Page 7, Image 7

TAME BOXING BOUT.

Jack Johnson and Joe Jeannette Hooted By Baltimore Crowd.

BALTIMORE, MD., March 15.-The flfteen round contest to-nlght between Jack Johnson, of Callfornla and Joe Jeannette, of New York, before the Eureka Athletlc Club, was one of the poorest boxing exhibitions witnessed for many a day. Johnson was awarded the decision at the finish amid howls of derision from the spectators. Not at any stage of the game was either man ln serious danger, not more than three or four effectlve blows being exchanged in the fifteen rounds.

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Jeanette had been called a HW for at least a year previous to the Johnson fight. So because one guy called him a light heavyweight without a weigh in or anything you seize on that as proof that Jeanette was at a disadvantage and as reasoning for him not being able to cope with Johnson. Sorry it doesnt work like that. When Jeanette fought Black Bill the newspapers called Bill a lightweight. Black Bill was never a lightweight. He was a heavyweight.

In regards to your dumbass comment on Chavez and Mayweather: Both those guys started at a lower weight yes BUT they both started at 18 and 19 years old. Not 28. By the time they were 28 they had reached their full weight. Just as Jeanette had. Had Jeanette fought Johnson when he was 18 you MIGHT have an argument that he grew another twenty pounds of muscle. But by the age of 28 Jeanette had reached his full weight and proportions. Yes, you can find the odd report, with absolutely no weights to back it up, calling Jeanette a MW or a LHW, but you can just as often find him called a HW. Frankly it doesnt matter what someone CALLS you. What matters is what you weigh and Jeanette was already in the 180s by 1906. I suspect you already know this but it wouldnt suit your biased agenda to admit it so youd rather quote the unsupported minority reports and use analogies that you think support your pathetic contention when in reality they do the opposite. Its the hallmark of someone who doesnt understand how properly research and then process the information they have.

Im also not sure why you keep posted second hand sources. Why not post the actual first hand accounts which state Johnson won as he pleased and in fact could have done much more but chose not to as was the case with him usually. Indeed Jeanette had quite the reputation as a spoiler and faker during this period as well but you wouldnt want to mention that would you.

 

Man y'all really get at it in here sheesh lol. Jeannette Ive seen mentioned several times as being a "165" lb fighter at the time he faced Johnson in 1906. Jeannette in a couple articles mentioned cutting a few pounds to fight for a middleweight title as well, and mentioned that he was willing to put up money in good faith like they did then. The weight is interesting thats for sur .

 

"klompton2,Jeanette had been called a HW for at least a year previous to the Johnson fight.

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So because one guy called him a light heavyweight without a weigh in or anything you seize on that as proof that Jeanette was at a disadvantage

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and as reasoning for him not being able to cope with Johnson.

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Sorry it doesnt work like that. When Jeanette fought Black Bill the newspapers called Bill a lightweight. Black Bill was never a lightweight. He was a heavyweight.

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In regards to your dumbass comment on Chavez and Mayweather: Both those guys started at a lower weight yes BUT they both started at 18 and 19 years old. Not 28. By the time they were 28 they had reached their full weight.

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Just as Jeanette had. Had Jeanette fought Johnson when he was 18 you MIGHT have an argument that he grew another twenty pounds of muscle.

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But by the age of 28 Jeanette had reached his full weight and proportions.

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Yes, you can find the odd report, with absolutely no weights to back it up, calling Jeanette a MW or a LHW, but you can just as often find him called a HW.

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Frankly it doesnt matter what someone CALLS you.

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What matters is what you weigh and Jeanette was already in the 180s by 1906.

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I suspect you already know this but it wouldnt suit your biased agenda to admit it so youd rather quote the unsupported minority reports and use analogies that you think support your pathetic contention when in reality they do the opposite. Its the hallmark of someone who doesnt understand how properly research and then process the information they have.

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Im also not sure why you keep posted second hand sources. Why not post the actual first hand accounts which state Johnson won as he pleased and in fact could have done much more but chose not to as was the case with him usually.

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Indeed Jeanette had quite the reputation as a spoiler

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and faker during this period as well but you wouldnt want to mention that would you.

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Bump!
Cos it's a brilliant thread with McVey at his best lol.