The Rings Top 20 2017 All Time Heavyweights!

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  1. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Matchmakers composite rankings
    1 - Ali
    2 - Louis
    3 - Foreman
    4 - Marciano
    5- Johnson
    6 - Dempsey
    7 - Liston
    8 - Holmes
    9-tie Frazier
    9-tie Tyson
    11 - Holyfield
    12 - Sullivan
    13 - Lewis
    14 - Tunney
    15 - V. Klitschko
    16 - W. Klitschko
    17 - Bowe
    18 - Corbett
    19 - Jeffries
    20 - Fitzsimmons
     
    guilalah, May 7, 2017
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  2. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Historians composite rankings
    1 - Ali
    2 - Louis
    3 - Johnson
    4 - Marciano
    5- Dempsey
    6 - Holmes
    7 - Tyson
    8 - Foreman
    9 - Sullivan
    10 - Tunney
    11 - Jeffries
    12 - Liston
    13 - Holyfield
    14-tie Frazier
    14-tie Lewis
    16 - Corbett
    17 - Fitzsimmons
    18 - W. Klitschko
    19 - V. Klitschko
    20 - Bowe
     
    guilalah, May 7, 2017
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  3. mcvey

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    I think coming off a year and a half's layoff at 41 and going life and death with Joshua, trading those big punches and coming of the floor as he did proved a lot of my prejudices against Wlad to be, if not entirely wrong at least founded on a flawed argument.
    Apart from Walcott in their first fight and possibly Charles in their intial encounter I dont think any of Marciano opponents make a show with last week's Wlad and I would not make Rocky favourite over that version either!
     
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  4. mcvey

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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You are a waste of time and space.
     
    mcvey, May 8, 2017
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The poll cast doubt on the percentage of those two qualities that Liston and Tyson possessed,both make my top ten.
    My reason for excluding Wlad from the top ten was largely based on my doubts about how much he had.
    Since I believe that doubt was erased last week I feel justified in replacing Marciano with him. I'm no fan of Wlad, he as bored me rigid in many fights
    Credit where credit is due.
     
    mcvey, May 8, 2017
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  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson showed plenty of heart in his defeats against Lewis and Holyfield. He took many hard shots, much more than Wlad. Wlad can't show much heart because of his chin.The intangibles Wlad showed against Johua was nothing outstanding.I haven't watched too many Liston fights.
     
    THE BLADE 2, May 8, 2017
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm giving you what those making the ratings said , not my own opinions.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Has anyone here ,on any of your posts ,actually agreed with you?
     
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  10. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Can anyone here even decipher his ramblings?
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I wish you did!!!
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He was okay for Comic Relief but when you tell a joke people need to understand the punch line!
    I'm sure he thinks he is devastating us all with his insight and sharp wit.
     
    mcvey, May 8, 2017
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  13. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "his role as a serious player in Ukrainian politics adds to his stature."

    As a boxer? I think this is goofy logic. Mickey Walker painted. If critics decided he was another Van Gogh, would that make his record better as a fighter? A man being admirable or nasty outside the ring shouldn't effect how we view his record within the ring.
     
    edward morbius, May 8, 2017
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  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed.Charley Burley was a refuse collector, does that diminish his standing as a great fighter?
     
    mcvey, May 8, 2017
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  15. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just on Wlad Klitschko. I rate him 7th right now, but his final standing is still hostage to how well his conquerors perform in the future. If Fury and Joshua are blown out early by Wilder, let's say, Wlad putting up a competitive fight will look a lot less impressive.

    Most historical figures are somewhat hostage to later history.

    I remember a question I read once---"If Lincoln had lost the Civil War, what would this have done to Washington's historical standing?"
     
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