Still Not Sold on Anthony Joshua

Very insightful, Mc2. I agree - it will most likely be that kind of guy. Someone with real SPEED.

Izu and Parker both have it.

 

My feelings exactly. He was out on his feet. Took the hardest punch of the fight and only due horrible strategy -from Wlads camp- let him hang on and then was able to come back in the 11th when Wlad was almost spent- waiting for the last round.
I am still concerned about AJ's antics at the end of the fight. He looked to me like he was taunting Wlad at the end and actually sneered at him when walking away. It was punkass to me. So let's quit the talk of greatness, I don't see real character in this man, and on top of all that, and as you mentioned, he doesn't have a chin to boot.

 

I'm nearly sold on Joshua being an all time great. Just fight and win 3-4 more title defenses vs. top ten guys.

He proved his chin and heart vs. Wlad. Stamina to me is still a little suspect, but with his offensive ability, and improving defense, he's going to be tough to beat.

 

Vitali's reach is only 79". How does that fit into your BS? The man was one of the most aggressive big men I've seen in the ring in terms of punch output, 87% KO's, safety first my ass.

 

Look what happened to Gamboa after his PED scandals.

 

How surreptitious of them using "cavemen" as code to defame and broad brush an entire clade of fighters with a virulent ethnic stereotype. Yet others including myself get hung in the court of public opinion for doing what they considered to be the same thing although it is almost never the case.

 

I do not think is chin is an issue either. Even back in the amateurs when he was more errrmmmm....NATURAL version of his genetic limits he only got staggered and by big hitters like Mekzhidov and Nistor. He may have gotten dropped in the ams, I am not certain.

He definitely recovers well, especially now since his transformation.

 

Yeah it's pathetic isn't it. Turds will be Turds.

 

Exactly. Among many others. They always seem to perform differently afterwords. It's clear as day in a lot of cases.

 

I can't believe people are even debating AJ becoming an "all time great", as if that's something we're supposed to decide right now whether to buy in to.

The hype is ridiculous.

 

I dont rate a guy who gasses after throwing a few combos sorry

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The sneer at the end after he beat wlad was interesting, the mask slipped a bit on his real feelings. He was probably sick of being nice and having to be respectful the whole buildup. It was a bit of an F YOU for thinking he was the kid in this fight. I didn't really like that to be honest, in the fight fine but not sneering after the ko. Even Tyson didn't do that (except Biggs maybe) but I guess he was in the moment, those repressed feelings came out and wlad did talk down to him a lot.

 

People have too high expectations. You don't have to be perfect fighter to be great. Look Dustin Nichols, 400 lbs carnival man who jabbed to death and KTFO'd ATG WBC champion Deontay Wilder.

 

I have to agree, it's way, way to early to even contemplate him being on that level atm. All he's done so far is pick up a couple of titles and beaten an old former champion, he hasn't even proven he's the best or even 2nd best fighter at heavyweight at the moment, in terms of greatness he's still on the first step to that goal.

When Fury beat Wlad nobody I saw was talking about him being an ATG or potential ATG, yet here we are. It's this rabid fandom and over hyping a fighter that led to a lot of people disliking Wlad and people are doing it again.

 

Some are trying to sell Wlad vs AJ like it was heading towards a wide decision for Wlad who totally outboxes AJ and AJ caught him and got a lucky stoppage which is B.S..

On my card they shared 2 of the first 4 and Joshua won the other 2 10-9 , if anything Wlad was being slightly outboxed in the first 3rd of that fight. In the 5th AJ let a 10 - 8 round slip and Wlad brought it back to a 10-9 Wlad won the 6th 10-8 the 7th 8th 10-9 on my card Wlad was 1 point up with 2/3 of the fight complete. the final 3rd of the fight I had Wlad edging the 9th 10-9 but AJ looking much stronger and AJ winning the 10th 10-9 so in the 10 complete rounds I had Wlad 1 point up with AJ in my opinion looking the stronger going in to the 11th , also bare in mind if Wlad had of somehow survived the 11th it was a 10-7 for AJ.

I'm not saying my card is correct or not correct I just scored it how I saw it , the club I watched it in some even had AJ winning some drawing most thought Wlad was 1 or 2 rounds up a couple 3 rounds up, I'm just trying to say it was a very close fight that could of gone either way if it had gone to the cards and not the 10 round cakewalk for Wlad that some seem to be suggesting until he got banged.

I think AJ grows massively after that fight and it was a great performance for somebody who'd only boxed 40 something pro rounds , can't really understand the hate , I think AJ showed massive inexperience in the 5th he had Wlad hurt but Wlad chose to go down before he got really hurt , AJ went for the kill against a still live Wlad and walked straight on to two or three meaty left hooks that really changed the fight and allowed Wlad to pick his shots more and land that sickening right hand in the sixth , I think a more experienced AJ stays behind the jab after knocking over a dangerous opponent of Wlads level and waits for the opportunity rather than trying to force it and at least sees out the round 10-8 and remains the man in control isn't in massive danger in the 6th and 7th and is well up on the cards at the half way mark , I think with experience AJ learns to control fights and stops trying to immediately walk through everyone who he has in trouble and becomes phenomenal.