H2H does anyone actually beat Lennox

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    McCall be like... "what up fools?!"
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    There's a good dozen heavies you could name who 100% would have a good chance worth mentioning. It's not unreasonable to name more than a few who you think would stylistically defeat him or deserves the pick through merit.

    To think that the other greatest HW's ever can't beat each other is a little odd. Especially when discussing a fighter who got starched twice and both times not remotely against ATG opponents.

    What's wrong with naming any of Ali, Louis, Holmes, Foreman, Tyson, Vitali, and Wladimir?
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Obviously you mean prime for prime, I get that.

    Without looking, a lot of people will have written "wtf, Hasim Rahman beat him." And without looking, you'll say Lewis was unmotivated for that fight, and that motivated Lewis would have beaten him.

    You're probably right about that in fairness. But nobody illustrates more fully what boxing is than Lewis. He's way better than two guys who battered him insensible.

    If Lewis can engineer these opportunities for these lesser fighters with his laziness, it's probable that the greatest fighters to have ever lived can engineer opportunities for themselves on one or two occasions. What I mean by that is that Lewis can literally be the best HW ever head to head and there will still be people who find a way to beat him. That's just the way the sport is.

    There's someone for everyone and on any given night anything can happen. Lewis might be unbeatable with video-game analysis (STRENGTH = 20, POWER = 20) but that's just not how the sport works.

    You might be able to make a case for his going unbeaten in trilogies against the greatest fighters to have ever lived, dropping one here and there to the best. I say this because Lewis is at the perfect point in history for that to be true, he's the best of the superheavies that have only been fighting for a fraction of boxing history and so we have good reason to pick him over much smaller fighters and his modern colleagues (this won't be true in 90 years, for example). But even on the trilogy front, I think that you just have to say, there's someone for everyone. There have been a lot of very very special fighters. If you take the 15 other great heavies or so, there are just too many chances within that field for nobody to take some.
     
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  4. Beyonce Wilder

    Beyonce Wilder Active Member Full Member

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    people say "wlad's chin wouldn't hold against lennox's power" like lennox's own chin was made of granite. and wlad showed he could at least get back up from a big punch last fight. 50/50 tossup.
     
  5. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Those are truthfully all and I think adding fury to the group is going too far. I don't believe for a second he could out box Lewis and that's how he'd have to get it down.

    LL would literally unleash the fury on fury and his chin wouldn't see the final bell, I don't believe vitali had the one punch power to do that either.

    But when I think about Rachman (sp?) Did he have power throughout career or was that his money punch ?

    Hell, maybe all somewhat big hw had a shot. Is
    Idfkal
     
  6. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You give Aj little chance but m Tyson and holy great chances ? 2 hw at a huge disadvantage and 2 fighter Aj stomps like bugs, bias takes over the 3 major lobes of people's brain. Entirely negates all ability to think rationally.

    To each their own. Aj will truly be in 5 years the only hw on equal or greater terms h2h vs the h2h king LL
     
  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    He was ko'd by one punch in two fights by fringe men, nah nobody beats him ever.
     
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  8. Okin129

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    Only because McCall and Rahman both beat him that way doesn't mean that he can only be beaten the same
    way, both were a bit lucky.

    Mike Tyson would have probably been KO'd in his prime as well but nonetheless he would have a good chance
    to beat him.

    Anthony Joshua would also have a good chance to overwhelm him with his combination punching.

    I give both of them better chances than any other fighter to beat Lennox Lewis.

    Wladimir Klitschko is not a counterpuncher and he is too cautious, he wouldn't be controlling the pace in this
    fight like he usually does and he would probably get outboxed by Lennox Lewis or knocked out in the late
    rounds, but he would have a punchers chance.

    Vitali Klitschko would always give him a competitive fight but he would lose at least 8 out of 10 times to a
    prime Lennox Lewis, Vitali had overrated punching power, he was an accumulation puncher and Lennox Lewis
    would always have more success in their exchanges.
     
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  9. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yes both prime Holmes & Ali would beat him.. Peak Tyson has a huge shot at a KO too. Stupid question.. Louis would lose, Marciano was too small & Dempsey?? Well that's like comparing apples & oranges.. The sport back then to the 90's.
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes.

    There wasn't any HW in history who couldn't be beaten.
    Even the best of them.

    We must realise that there's still no athlete who is head and shoulders above any others in history.

    For the most talented athletes of all time you can find few guys who had the same (or nearly the same) level of talent and/or physical gifts.

    And even the most talented athlete at his best can lose the fight if he has style disadvatages, or he chooses wrong strategy, or has bad luck and gets clipped with perfect punch.

    Lennox is one of the most gifted HWs in history but he's not unbeatable, just like any other talent through the history of HW division.
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali does, yes.

    Vitali's workrate is too high and his chin too good for Lewis to beat Vitali except by means of something like that cut in TKO6.

    I believe that is the only time in Vitali's career that he had any kind of cut like that.
     
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  12. Boxing fan 75

    Boxing fan 75 Active Member Full Member

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    I'd favor a prime ...
    Liston
    Ali
    Foreman
    Holmes
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    He was KOed in his prime and his Chin would be a liability. If he had a Chin I would tend to agree with you.
     
  14. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Prime Tyson (Nov 87 - Dec 87) destroys him
     
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  15. BCS8

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    If Rahman had never given Lewis a rematch and retired instead his name wouldn't carry nearly so much weight.

    Just throwing that out there.