Legitimate champion or Oaf?

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Is Carnera a legitimate champion

  1. No Carnera is simply a fraudulent oaf

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  2. Yes Primo paid his dues at world level

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think I've dealt straightforwardly and honestly with your myriad of world class Carnera victims.I pointed out those that were ranked when he fought them.
    Loughran
    Levinsky
    And those that were not .
    Campolo
    Uzcudun
    Lasky
    Neusel
    Godfrey
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I asked Perry why he thought he was a good guy he never replied,.He may well have been ,but none of you have been able to produce one shred if evidence that indicates he was. I wouldn't make a statement that I couldn't prove maybe that's the difference? As for you, my little pet stalker,I'm going to bed now ,swallow the pills Nurse Ratched gave you and get some rest so you'll be ready for another Johnson hate fest tomorrow and another session of talking absolute nonsense.You sick little person.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And there was peace in the valley...
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Some very weird beings on this site.
     
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  6. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes let the sun shine on a positive post by Mcfake
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You missed out Schaaf. That's three rated contenders and one world champion and five other world class fighters that Primo beat!!!

    Presumably you think none of these fights were on the level?

    Is there another undisputed champion who beat that many world class fighters, contenders and knocked out an undisputed champion that could possibly be a fraudulent oaf, a pretend non fighter, masquerading as a real boxer?
     
  8. mcvey

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    I think anyone who includes Schaaf is guilty of extreme bad taste and the worst example of desperatism and specifically that is you. Saying Schaaf fought well is utter bullsh*t.He didn't he walked towards Carnera wth his guard open and accepted punches to the face with an air of vagueness, finally to be put down and out by a left jab,I truly believe you including him is shameful.
    So you have Loughran and Levinsky ,one hugely outweighed by the biggest weight disparity until Valuev and Haye and the other a man who could only manage 1 win from his last 6 outings. Carnera wasn't a fraud ,but you are.
     
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  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Oh he wasn't a fraud? So His fights at world level were all on the level? You now acknowledge the knockout punch that he hit Sharkey with?

    Well done! We have progressed
     
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  10. mcvey

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    No I believe the fights with
    Godfrey
    Stribling x2
    Sharkey
    Riouz
    Peterson
    Wiggins
    Hansen
    Clark
    Chevalier
    Gorman
    Clisby
    Harris
    Were fixed and I believe in the case of many of his other fights the opposition was so basically useless no pre-arrangement was necessary,these would include the fights with.
    Zupana wrestler
    Humbeeck
    Trafton a football player
    Baker
    Torrianni
    DeCarolis
    Schoenrath
    Schwake
    Spence
    Nikolaeff
    Barrick
    Thomas
    Sigman
    Martin
    Owens
    Zaveta
    Lodge a wrestler
    Rice
    Merriot
    Pavelec
    Now I've posted my opinion,perhaps you wont make any further attempts to put your weasel words in my mouth?
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    So by your own admission Laughran, Levinsky and Schaaf the three leading contenders were beaten legitimately? Uzcudun, Neusel, Campolo, implelitierre and santas were by your admission good wins on the level too? So without winning the title this is a very capable set of wins. A good number too.

    You consider the Sharkey fight fixed but cannot prove it.
     
  12. mcvey

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    I dont think the Impelletiere fight meant anything he was a novice.Santa was a punchbag Campolo a third rater.Neusel quit.Schaaf I don't factor in at all.That leaves just Loughran and Levinsky.

    I can't prove that Sharkey could have got up, no more than I can prove that Douglas could have against Holyfield or Seldon against Tyson, but I believe that is the case. It's just my opinion,I'm not asking anyone else to agree with me it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks about those results, no more than the results of this very tiny poll do.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You can say that about Mike Tyson opponents or anybody's opponents. Max Baer Has recorded win over Benny Hill.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    All I've done is reply to your questions.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Indeed you have. Upon a Primos legitimacy however, I shall agree to disagree.