Worse heavyweight era- Holmes era or Klitschko(s) era?

which means you would be creating something that is no longer human. i no longer have to wonder, you are dumb as a sack of rocks, without a doubt.
and great job on providing some evidence that shows youre not an idiot.

 

A genetically modified human is still human.

Afterall, we are all genetically modified in one form or another.

Moron, just let the thread get back on topic.

 

amazing.

 

just getting interesting

 

Holmes would have ended up pissing off Vitali before the fight and then would've wished he hadn't by the 7th or 8th Round.

 

always "would have".

but never did when its planet K

 

How many TOTAL world title defenses did Holmes have in is career and how many did Wlad have?? Not to mention the Olympic Gold.

There is no "Would Have" about it dip**** Wlad > Holmes

And in a H2H... Wlad and Vitali WOULD HAVE (Yes we are allowed to say that in hypothetical matchups) beaten Holmes up.

 

Neither era was bad. The problem with the HW's in Klitschkos era was there was no round robins. Just imagine if Klitschko, Peter, Chris Byrd, Povetkin, Haye, Vitali, Pulev, all fought each other multiple times. That doesnt happen anymore

 

You don't know what you're talking about. pinklon thomas was never on anybody's pfp list...he was a rising contender with a bright future who was expected to one day be champ. but there were far more established talents around during that period to round out a top 10 pfp.

the fact that holmes had the second most defenses of the title at the time is an indication he didn't duck anybody....even a champ can't fight everybody...fighters are up, then they lose and they're down and they lose their chance to fight for the title. the champ can only fight the top fighter available at that particular time. sugar ray leonard didn't fight pipino cuevas or carlos palomino or iran barkley...does that mean he ducked them? your argument makes no sense....did wlad duck valuev and chagaev?

 

Pinklon Thomas held a title and was pfp by KO and The Ring in 1985. The KO list is readily available with a Google search. Unlike Witherspoon, Thomas was a known threat.

You sound unfamiliar with what actually transpired with Holmes regarding those opponents. He cited money issues with Dokes and Page, but had no issue fighting Evangelista, Scott Frank, etc. He said he wouldnt fight Coetzee bc of apartheid, I think.

Wlad blew away Chagaev when he was the top challenger. No duck happened.

The best guys during Wlad's reign other than Vitali were Povetkin (likely number one), Chagaev, Ibragimov, Adamek, Valuev, Maskaev, Haye, Byrd, Fury, Pulev, Thompson, Chambers, Brewster and Peter. He fought almost all and the best ones of them.

During Larry's time, the best guys were Spinks, Tate, Coetzee, Thomas (likely number one), Norton, Witherspoon, Shavers, Dokes, Cooney, Weaver, Smith, Berbick, Williams, and Tubbs. Tucker was getting started around the end of his reign too. Holmes fought fewer of them and was less dominant. He also missed several of the most talented ones.

 

OK, so at least you acknowledge that just becuase a champ didn't fight a particular contender it doesn't mean the champ "ducked" that contender. Yes, I found the 1985 KO magazine listing that has pinklon thomas at #9 pfp, after holmes had lost his title to spinks. But if larry was an ex-champ by then, how was he "ducking" a title challenge from thomas?

and my point about klitchko was simply this: you can point to evangelista and frank and say well holmes fougnt weak comp....but then how about leapai, wach, austin, thompson, and pianeta?.... i mean, mormeck??? ffs. Even chambers and ibragimov wouldn't have made the grade in holmes era...bryant jennings was basically an amateur. wlad's biggest win as champ was against david haye. Now, david haye in his prime would have been competitive with the holmes era, but he was one of very few.

the likes of weaver, berbick, williams, smith, witherspoon etc, would have schit over wach, pianta, peter, chambers and thompson. wlad's comp was particularly pathetic when compared to other er eras...even marciano's was stronger. maybe joe louis bum of the month had similarly poor field, but louis wiped those guys clean out while wlad battled it out with the likes of jennings, ibragimov, wach and an injured haye.

 

Chagaev, Povetkin, and Ibragimov. Those are The standouts of many impressive names on Wlads resume


he cleaned house for an entire decade and dominated his undefeated contenders more decisively than Holmes did

From fast slick boxers like Byrd and chambers, to brutal KO punchers like Brewster and Peter. Wlad dominated them all, if not in the first fight, he did in the rematch

 

I think you just don't know the fighters from Wlad's era very well.

Ibragimov would do well in any era. He just never completed a full career. Watch his am fight with Chagaev on Youtube.

Jennings totally slipped my mind but was a pretty good fighter at the time of the Wlad fight, having beaten Spilzka and Perez. Bonecrusher, like Jennings, lacked an amateur pedigree and performed at a similar level although his resume ended up better, barring a Jennings comeback.

Lepei was mediocre but earned his shot by beating the more talented Boytsov.

Thompson was talented and you're underrating him. He was a legitimate challenger for his first shot at Wlad and was mandated for the second go around after winning an eliminator and having Chambers pull out of the final eliminator with an injury.

I don't know that Wlad had any reasons to fight the other guys you listed. Wach and Tex Cobb are pretty much the same thing btw. But, I have less issue with Wlad taking these fights because there weren't glaringly better fighters who he didn't fight to fill in. Page, Tubbs, Thomas and Dokes absolutely could've been subbed in at their peaks when Holmes in instances when Holmes took soft touches.

Pink btw gained pfp status after besting Spoon in 84. Holmes was still champ for that and most of 85.

Regarding eras, Holmes' era was better than Wlad's but Holmes left more question marks than Ali, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, and Wlad. Holmes' opposition during his reign was not better than Wlad's. Marciano's era was worse than every era since. Wlad dominated the fighters you compared to bum of the month with exception to Jennings who was not a bum and fought a late 30s Wlad.

 

I will always contend peak WK is superior to Holmes. Aside from all the guys he beat over his ten year run and before, I'd offer up his display vs prime beast Joshua as prima facie evidence. The dude at 41 almost toppled his 28 y/o successor. Holmes couldn't even beat light heavy Mike Spinks when 36 and he had two goes. Spinks wouldn't last four rounds with Joshua. Spinks was a lot better than Can Martin but so is my Uncle Bill.

 

At no time in his career could WK carry holmes jockstrap. larry was far, far superior in every way and would have administered a boxign lesson then knocked WK out.