Bernard Hopkins - Roy Jones Jr. Who is better All Time.

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  1. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are we talking about hagler or hopkins here??? Besids hagler's entire career wasnt built on fighting Duran and hearns. Without the wins over the welters and jr middles were the fuk would Hopkins be??? Without Duran and hearns hagler is still a great fighter with a great resume. so no my logic isnt flaw, its yours that is fuked.
     
    1lehudson, Jul 22, 2007
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  2. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ill say to you first WTF:huh

    Second i would tell you to go watch the echols fight and the fight with Mecado if you think that Hopkins was never hurt. in fact without the boneheaded call from the ref in the Echols fight we may not even be talking about hopkins right now, when echols really knocked hopkins out. I unlike some of the other here that claim to have seen all hopkins fights I actaully have seen them all except for his first 7.
     
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  3. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clearly you have no clue so Im done with you :hi:
     
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  4. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    No, its not. You think without the Duran and Hearns wins Hagler would be over Monzon, Robinson or Greb?

    The point isnt about Hagler or Hopkins...its that your views are biased. You dont like Bernard...thats fine. But be fair when you look at things.

    If you discount a fighter for fighting naturally lighter fighters than do you KNOW how many quality wins for some people would be gone?

    Again, your not making sense. My post was unbiased, as I LOVE both fighters. I gave all the credit in the world to both for what they have accomplished...and you are just one of the people I mentioned at the begining....a fan of Jones/Hopkins hater who discounts and underrates anything Hopkins has accomplished.

    Go away and let this be an intelligent post please.

    :hi:
     
    sues2nd, Jul 22, 2007
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  5. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins would also be a nobody if he hadn't fought Tito, Oscar, Tarver and Wright. :think

    Mugabi, Minter, Antuofermo, Roldan, etc > Echols, Mercado, Lipsey, etc.
     
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  6. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    WHAT?????

    You have never seen that fight bro if that is what you got out of it.

    Echols did hurt Hopkins....he hurt his shoulder with a ****ING body slam!!!! Are you insane?

    Again, now your just making things up.

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    sues2nd, Jul 22, 2007
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  7. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You crazy, I was talking up Hopkins when you were in jr high. I wrote an article in RING before the the whole middleweight tourn, thing talking about how soo many people were over looking Hopkins. So No Im not a hater of hopkins and if one was to scan my post you would find that Im actaully in favor of hopkins most of the times. Im just not blind. I saw the fight with Jones, and I saw jones win 9 rounds most of which he had a broken hand. Once shame on me twice shame on you. hopkins hasnt and doesnt fair well vs big fighters his own size, and the 1-3 record proves that every thing eles is all bull****. What happens in the ring matters. You dont get greatness from a few fans on the web that has a hard on for you.
     
    1lehudson, Jul 22, 2007
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  8. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Very true.

    Though more fairly it would look like this.

    Mugabi, Minter, Antuofermo, Rolden, etc. > Johnson, Eastman, Holmes, Echols, etc.

    Ya just cant grab Hagler's best remaining wins (subtracting Hearns, Duran and Leonard...) and toss in a few names on Hopkins resume.

    But keep in mind, that was only brought up because another idiot said Hopkins gets no credit because he only fought blown up WWs.

    That said, I still believe Hagler is above Hopkins.
     
    sues2nd, Jul 22, 2007
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  9. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So are you going to tell me that hopkins didnt get knocked down by Echols on a shot that the ref said was on the break??? You dont have a fukking clue. His shoulder???

    Why am I even talking to you:hi:
     
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  10. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins is the better overall talent and when you hear the term "legend" or "all time great" your mind immediately thinks of B-HOP. This guy at almost 43 is still beating guys at the top level, that is talent. Roy is no doubt an atg also but Bernard is the greatest or the number 2 middleweight of all time. Roy faded down the stretch and now is only fighting for money, he can't bring his A game like he used to. Hopkins is also fighting for money but he still brings his A game and wins fights over other legendary fighters. amazing..
     
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  11. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now there is a decent agrument as to why one would rate hopkins over jones. All that crap those other two clowns are kicking around is bull****.
     
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  12. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    First, you have no idea of my age....as I have been following boxing for over 20 years now intensely.

    Second, if you were such a supporter of Hopkins how can you attempt to discount his quality wins vs fighters that came from lower weights...when most greats have resumes full of them also?

    Third, I have already proven that just because a fighter loses to one fighter doesnt mean they can never surpass them in all time status. I could go on all night with examples....such a seasoned fight fan should KNOW this....

    Fourth, you have made multiple posts showing your obviously biased views on the subject. While if you would have bothered to read my original post, you would see that I looked at this as a fan of both fighters....not a fan on the web with a hard on.

    And as for your RING articles. Well, if you cant put up a well thoughtout arguement without showing ridiculous bias and opinions full of holes...I dont think I would be too into reading your work. AND, there are plenty of writers for plenty of sites/mags/papers, etc. that have their head firmly placed up their favorite fighters asses for that not to matter much.

    Again, give me something well thought out and that actually is a fact, rather than biased opinion and I will take you more seriously....

    Until THEN, go back and read my post....you may learn something.

    :good
     
    sues2nd, Jul 22, 2007
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  13. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    :happy
     
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  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I SAID BASICALLY THE SAME ****ING THING IN MY ORIGINAL POST YOU JACKASS!!!!

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    Now onto the other thing about Echols and the shoulder....

    http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/2000/001201hopkins_echols.html

    Now tell me I imagined it again???

    God you are a moron.

    Now go read the original post and stop embarassing yourself.
     
    sues2nd, Jul 22, 2007
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  15. minkyboodle

    minkyboodle New Member Full Member

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    Really great analysis on this. I have to agree with you its nice to see it presented in such a fair way
     
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