Sergio Martinez vs Canelo and.....

Good post.

 

What about the math of . . . weighing in at 158 lbs for Martinez vs weighing in at 164 lbs for Canelo? Which is bigger? Also compare the size of Chavez's stomach at the Martinez weigh-in (sunk-in) vs his stomach at the Canelo weigh-in (normal looking). And what about how many media members and fans were impressed with how healthy Chavez looked at the Canelo weigh-in and amazed at how easily he made weight? That math seems to go against the idea that Chavez was more drained vs Canelo than he was vs Martinez.

As far as Canelo hitting harder than Chavez Jr, well, for look at the damage that Chavez Jr's sustained vs Canelo vs the damage he sustained vs Martinez. Canelo's punches had much more snap on his punches vs Chavez than Martinez had vs Chavez. Martinez was outboxing Chavez, while Canelo was lighitng Chavez up round after round completely demoralizing him. Mr Triple G himself was asked recently if Canelo was the biggest puncher he's ever faced and he answered of course.

 

He simply isn't. Hes a tough guy, nowt special. Looked after very will by fishnets !!

 

Hes not the biggest puncher at all, Jacobs is a ko specialist and so's Lemieux. Total gulfs between them, ggg hyping it up bro and your swallowing it ! Chavez jnr also is not the same as he was v Martinez, its clear as day

 

Soooo ... no avatar bet with me for the Floyd / McGregor fight? Dude, if you think Conor has a great chance, just do it!

 

You’re right, his left eye was completely closed after Martinez, where it was only partially closed after Canelo. I would say it was somewhat comparable. However I believe that was due to him having a better training camp vs Canelo. When you are healthier, when you are eating right, you generally don’t mark up quite as bad. I also think Canelo held back at times from really hurting Chavez, and I think that was blatantly obvious that at times Canelo could have really hurt Chavez worse but decided to lay on the ropes to give the fans some back and forth. Another factor was Canelo was standing in between rounds for the entire 12 rounds which I’d imagine takes a little something off his power. It was also Canelo’s first fight above 155 lbs so naturally Canelo must have been experimenting with how much energy and power he actually had at a higher weight.

These are good points as well, and I agree that Chavez had more energy and had more stability at that weight, but again that’s different than saying he was a corpse vs Canelo. He may have performed poorly vs Canelo, but he didn’t actually look like a corpse. His body looked healthy, it was just he didn’t have the energy over the course of the 12 rounds. I think that had a lot to do with some of those big punches that Canelo landed in round 2 that completely changed the fight. I doubt Chavez thought Canelo could hurt him early like that and I also think Chavez underestimated Canelo’s speed advantage. Where as with Martinez, Chavez was more prepared tactically for what Martinez was going to bring. It seemed to me that Canelo actually hurt Chavez earlier in the fight than Martinez hurt Chavez (though I’d have to watch that again as it’s been a while).

 

Cheeseburger Junior He didn't even try

 

Canelo was calling out Martinez until his people told him to STFU, which Canelo did.

Martinez would clown Legs of Stone.

 

As much as I'm a fan of Sergio, that version of him loses to Canelo of today. Sergio from Williams fight tho? KOs Canelo.

 

Martinez easy

 

Canelo gets KTFO late in the 10th

 

Martinez was shot by then and he still won 10 rounds, the prime Martinez beats the crap outta him