Why do people say pacquiao is an 8 div world champ?

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  1. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Tears, start to finish. Two paragraphs of tears. Floyd isn't as great as you think he is, get over it. He's around 30-35th all time coming to really think of it in terms of overall greatness and arguably top 10 of all time in terms of ability prime for prime - that's a compliment for someone who hasn't fought a single at-or-near prime ATG/Higher/Mid tier HOF in his 19 year boxing career.
    In my 4th year soon - coming to a dental practice near you! Why would I even need to bring my personal character here? If I did, then I wouldn't call myself 'Gannicus' lol. I've come here to talk boxing and poking fun at *****'s can come as part of the package, get over it. I obviously don't talk like this in real life. You're throwing your toys out of the pram because I'm schooling *****'s. This is not the only conversations I have here - you're just sensitive.
     
  2. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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  3. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    With over saturated titles and catch weights you can do anything.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Too bad for you your opinion means nothing stay bitter.
    Ring magazine's top 20 fighters since WW2 mind you this was before PBF-Pac. Where's Pac on that list?

    In the October issue of Ring magazine they asked 20 writers and historians to list their top 20 fighters since World War 2.
    Points were awarded to each fighter = 20 points for 1st place placing, 19 points for 2nd place ect.
    Here is how the total came out. The number of 1st place votes are in brackets.


    1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
    2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
    3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
    4. Roberto Duran - 296
    5. Joe Luis - 293
    6. Ray Leonard - 258
    7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
    8. Archie Moore - 189
    9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
    10. Ezzard Charles - 164
    11. Perenell Whitaker - 132
    12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
    13. Marvin Hagler - 117
    14. Carlos Monzon - 98
    15. Eder Jofre - 86
    16. Sandy Saddler - 82
    17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
    18. Rocky Marciano - 77
    19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
    20. Ike Williams - 55

    ESPN top 25 fighters of the last 25 years PBF #1
    http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/14970037/ranking-top-25-pound-pound-boxers-25-years
     
  5. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    For that alone...what a stupid list.
     
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  6. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    The first sentence of your post speaks volumes on how much greater Floyd was. What other fighter in history had 26 title fights and was favored in 24 of them?
     
  7. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Pimp C has an addiction of posting lists that are the most laughable ever.
    Julio Cesar Chavez for example is considered greater than Ezzard Charles in that list. Charles is around 5th all time - he is one of the ultimate GOATs.
     
  8. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Charles beat the same guys Moore did, more impressively, also tack on wins over HW greats Walcott and Louis, and not one but two superior performances against Maricano....and yeah, the fact Charles is 3-0 against the Mongoose while both men were prime. Moore was great but Charles was greater. It just doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

    And yes I'm a big Chavez fan but he doesn't belong over Charles, that is insanely stupid. That list proves nothing but how incompetent RING is these days.
     
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  9. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Think about this for a second

    A. Winning a lot of fights that you are meant to win

    or

    B. Winning a lot of fights that you had no right to win at all
     
  10. Ant Sutton

    Ant Sutton I love boxing Full Member

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    Whatever titles or weight classes he moved up in - he was and just maybe still awesome. Can't we focus on that?
     
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  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    With over saturated titles and catch weights you can do anything.
     
  12. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nope. The record books state Pac was lineal in 5 divisions. And was a World Champion in 6.

    Sasakul at Flyweight
    MAB at Featherweight
    Marquez II at Superfeather
    Hatton at Junior Welter
    Bradley III at Welterweight
     
  13. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Can't give credit for catchweight fights, since there are more than enough weight classes already. Michael Spinks beating Larry Holmes would've been meaningless if Spinks forced Holmes to fight him at a catchweight. Spinks just moved up and won twice.
     
  14. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Pacman was the lineal Champion in 5 divisions. All wins at the full division limit. The facts really aren't that hard to come across, it's not like we are dealing with an obscure boxer from the 20s.

    You know who was awarded a lineal title at a catchweight? Mayweather after defeating Canelo. I don't think that should be counted personally.
     
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  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    5 is less than 8 which was my point. We have 18 divisions. Pick one and fight at the limit. There is no reason to fight at a 'catchweight' with that many divisions. It cheapens the sport.