Richard Dwyer CALMLY Schools Andre Ward Apologists About Low-Blows and Boxing Rules!

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not disagreeing that it was a low blow, the question is was it an egregious enough foul given the entirety of the situation to truly be controversial? With low blows, you gotta take into account the positioning of the opponent's body. Take for example headbutts. You could have an intentional or an unintentional headbutt. OK now with low blows it's more rarer to have an unintentional low blow but it's certainly possible and having an opponent hunched over in pain on the ropes has to be a good example of that. And again as a fighter you're supposed to protect yourself at all times and Kovalev wasn't doing that prior to that last punch. So by the rules, Weeks could have stopped the fight after just that first hook out of the series of the 3. And it appeared that was what he was doing. I mean when Ward landed that last punch Weeks was already in the motion of getting in there to stop the fight so he wasn't even looking at where that last punch landed, he was already making the decision to stop the fight due to how Kovalev was reacting and not defending himself
     
  2. Saintpat

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    Are you denying that Kov threw (and landed) multiple rabbit punches? That he headlocked and put his forearm across Ward's throat multiple times? That he also landed punches on the waistline and at least two below the waistline? And that he turned his back on Ward?

    Do you support his rulebreaking?

    Man up. Your boy didn't but you still can. Don't let this ruin your life.
     
  3. Caper

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    I'm with you and those low blows are merely an illusion.
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The final punch to the balls was the knockout punch. That's a foul
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The punch that ended the fight and dropped Kovalev WAS A LOW BLOW.

    There is no rule that says if your man is hurt you can knock him out with a low blow and that's legal.

    IT was a foul. Clearly.

    The clock should've been stopped. A point deducted. And Kovalev should've been given five minutes to recover.

    You don't get to score a KO with a low blow.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    He wasn't down when he was fouled. The shot that put him down WAS ILLEGAL.

    You don't get to win by KO with a low blow ... EVER. It's a foul. You call time and give the guy five minutes.
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    They were flagrant low blows so yes it was controversial. It wasn't the first time. If it was an isolated occurrence then you could argue that there was a grey area in determining the intention of it being marginally accidental.

    But throughout the fight from round 2, Ward was caught hitting kovalev with low blows. It wasn't a new occurrence and kovalev may overzealously highlighted the issue throughout, so the ref should have been vigilant towards it.

    The last final blow was done right in front of Week's face. And kovalev was throwing back, so I do not understand where you and the rest of the ward apologists get this idea that Kovalev was not reacting when he landed a successful combination before Ward went to town on his balls.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The one in the 2nd round Weeks was being kind to Kovalev. That punch was squarely on the middle of the belt-line, clearly half way up of the white part of Kovalev's trunks. So yes Ward was "caught" hitting Kovalev low yet replays clearly show that punch was not only not low, but it was exactly where Weeks said it was legal, and further as HBO commentators stated, the punch was not particularly hard and as they said "had no mustard on it". It was a light tap on the center of the belt-line. So you're using a false axiom in the 2nd round, a situation where Kovalev was given 5 minutes for what wasn't actually a low blow, to make the argument that "it wasn't the first time Ward did a low blow in the fight". Yes it actually was, because all the other supposed low blows were right on the belt-line which Weeks indicated pre-fight were legal. The one that Kov was given 5 minutes on was one of the least borderline shots from Ward, and one of the lighter belt-line punches from Ward. Certainly that one from the 2nd round was not as hard as the last 3 hooks that ended the fight. So you're trying to establish a pattern based on the round 2 pausing of the fight from Weeks being kind to Kovalev there. It's clear from the replays that that punch was not low. So there was no pattern other than legal belt-line punches from Ward.
     
  9. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Dwyer's agenda is clear. He tries to cater to a certain audience.
     
  10. PIPO23

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    All low blows are illegal there's no argument exist to allow it.Ward committed an illegal offence and got away with it. The integrity of the sport is in question here why embecile refs are humans and make errors unknowingly so in order for Bs like this to not exist an extra pair of eyes are needed.I believe instant replays should be introduced to the sport and it has to implemented ASAP.In my opinion referees sometimes go full spastic because they are only humans.
     
  11. shadow111

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    Right, but as you know not all low blows get penalized in countless fight we've seen. So refs miss low blows all the time, and sometimes it's impossible for a ref to see every one of them based on his angle or the situation. Weeks wasn't really looking at where that last punch landed, he was looking at Kovalev's body language and the fact that Ward was just teeing off on this guy and this dude was just hunched over like a rag doll in a fetal position. That's why he stopped the fight. I can show you countless examples of times where a guy got low blowed and the ref missed it. You have to then look at how bad it was, how intentional it was, and whether or not it is worthy of criticism. Ward did not intentionally try to low blow him there. He was just trying to go back to that body which was causing Kovalev a lot of distress. If you're in a fight, and the ref is not getting in there, you're not gonna stop punching. I mean look at Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz. Do you consider that to be a more legit stoppage than this?
     
  12. shadow111

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    Well we seen how well instant replay worked in that Rigondeaux fight lol. They had all the replay in the world but still got the wrong decision.
     
  13. Glass Joe

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    Exactly. Kovalev was (in their minds only) being tee'd off on, completely exhausted, and out on his feet, when in actuality he was throwing punches back after throwing almost double the punches per rounds of Ward and landing more as well as winning at least 2 of the last 3 rounds in an honest person's eyes.
     
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    Holy **** when Mallinagi sticks up for a foreigner something must be seriously wrong.
     
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  15. Glass Joe

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    Yes, those of us with eyes.
     
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