Good point, but the most controversial ones ALWAYS appear to be in Germany. OK - you had the Pac vs JMM I & II which are controversial, but there could be a case for either fighter, OR Reid vs Ottke - Reid wins at least seven rounds, and admits in his post fight interview that he was frightened to death of throwing a punch in the latter rounds for fear of being DQ'd. :deal
spare us the lecture. boxing corruption happens everywhere. from the big fights in las vegas, to small barrio fiesta promotions in plaza de la gentes, quito, ecuador. but not to the degree of shamless cheating witnessed in german boxing promotions. where else can you find a promoter ring the bell half way through the round, when his fighter was in trouble? or how about a home town ref warning the challenger for punching the home town fighter in the face? the amount of home cooking that goes on sullies the sport. what's more ridiculous, is that people turn a blind eye to this. stop chastizing people for showing their disgust.
The fight was in Spain. The referee was Spanish. He was simply incapable - watch when Williams lands a serious low blow, the ref gives Airich a standing 8 count! atsch So no, IMO he wasn't biased, he did foolish things towards both fighters... even more: when Williams was badly hurt, he gave him a standing 8 count (2 times) so he virtually prevented Airich to finish off the seemingly hurt, but still on his feet opponent! Then again: it wasn't the Spanish timekeeper who did that horrible job (watch Mormeck-Bell II for that - American Don King Promotions event, sancioned by American WBC and WBA - the bell sounds 20 seconds earlier when Mormeck is in trouble!) - in this case it was Öner himself who rang the bell - German boxing has nothing to do with it, more than that: this situation couldn't have happened there! So, it is Öner, and only himself (by the way he's Turkish, Airich is from Kasakhstan) who's guilty and therefore should be banned from ringside and fined... German boxing has nothing to do with it... BTW, you can't find a robbery bigger than DLH-Sturm since it was probably the robbery watched by the most on TV world-wide. :-( And still, a lot of fans from the States (and other Oscar lovers) are somehow defending DLH that it wasn't a robbery at all... how come they make an excuse for their boxing controversies and corruption and being totally furious towards anything that comes from 'Germany'? (nothing was German in the Airich-Williams fight).
bull****. it does'nt matter if it took place in spain, it was still a german promoted event. and ohner is turkish now? it's convenient to say he's a turk when events like this happen, but when poles/africans/turks start scoring goals they're german. btw, DLH-sturm is acknowledged in many publications as a gift robbery. HBO color commentary during the event, if i remember correctly, acknowleged that as well. NO ONE was making excuses for that. it is widely acknowleged as a robbery and hoya gets no credit for it, even from his fans. instead of shifting the threads focus, why don't you confront the reality of what happened. then come to the conclusion that there is something wrong in german boxing.
Felix Sturm = Firestorm? Felix ist latin for "the lucky one", a comon german name. Adnan took the german sounding name to get more attention from the german boxing crowd. It was his own thing, don´t see anything bad about that...
I don't get why German boxing fans don't ****ing get with it. This is corrupt **** and it's representing the ENTIRE German boxing base which in turn counts for you as well. Instead of saying "Why is everyone picking on us?", you should be saying "Why the **** do these guys (biased ass promoters) keep making our boxers (and our fans) look like absolute cheating ****s?" Forget bad decisions fellas..we're talking about unforgivable **** like a promoter running to the times keepers table and ringing the bell and a referee helping a fighter UP after he's been knocked down. You should be outraged...not saying "well it happens everywhere else".
Can I SEE one quote of someone saying ODLH-Felix Sturm wasn't a blatant robbery? If you can provide me with one quote, I'd appreciate it. Furthermore add the name of the poster as well, so we know to avoid him in all future discussions.
atsch Felix Sturm(Adnan Ćatić is born in Leverkusen/Germany! btw, Sturm is a real German name! -> For example- Marco Sturm (NHL)
exactly. the "bad decisions happen in the states/UK/ every where else" line does not justify being a cheating ****. these guys are just adding the proverbial fuel to the fire by making excuses for it.
"BTW, you can't find a robbery bigger than DLH-Sturm since it was probably the robbery watched by the most on TV world-wide. And still, a lot of fans from the States (and other Oscar lovers) are somehow defending DLH that it wasn't a robbery at all... " The difference is that it created a general outrage among the announcers, fans, etc. There have been plenty of outragous incidents in U.S. boxing over the years for sure, but it just isn't the same as germany. There is a farcical element of German boxing and the promotion of the "house fighter" that goes above and beyond anything you see elsewhere. - Jason