Eubank Sr: Canelo is #1 P4P! Collins toughest man in history!

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    'Canelo Alvarez in my humble opinion as a former participant of this sexy but deadly form of art, is the best fighter in the world, lb4lb. I am a big admirer of his talent and skill and toughness, a throwback. He is trained old school by his trainers, as I was in New York City. He was a man at 16, as I was forced to be. And he learned his lesson against the grand master in Money Mayweather; and that was don't rush and lead but rather time a counter. I learned a similar lesson sparring Herol Graham. He has the best timing in the world, does this Alvarez. He is an aggressive counter puncher and they are rare at top level, he is #1 for me.

    'If you stand in front of Canelo, his combination punching ability is the best I've ever seen, he is so gifted and creative with his work around a guard. He reminds me a lot of Henry Wharton, if Henry Wharton wasn't naturally flat-footed, he was unbeatable - nobody doubled and trebled and quadrupled their left hands with hooks to the head and body and left uppercuts like that. Henry Wharton had the beating of me but didn't know how to execute a strategy, to pick shots and pick his spots and so on. Had Canelo did so against Floyd, he had the beating of Floyd Mayweather that night, and he has improved fight by fight since!

    'Even including Floyd, I might say Canelo is the best out there.'


    He also spoke about Steve Collins being the hardest man ever.

    'Steve Collins is the strongest candidate you can think of for being the toughest man ever, or hardest or sturdiest individual shall we say, ever. Mike McCallum told me he never hit anyone so hard to the body, he countered Steve downstairs all night long in Boston and I was ringside with Bob Arum that night and despite a Ricky Hatton-like Irish crowd I heard those body shots rip in there and I saw Collins not even flinch or wince or budge.

    'McCallum saw him with welts on his ribs a few hours after, smiling. Steve has rode horses since he retired from boxing, broke most of his bones taking falls and got back on the saddle every time so he says, and I can't disbelieve that. When Benn hit me I shuddered and squeezed my face, my body was shifted, my neck all jolted and so on; Collins wouldn't even blink when Benn struck him and was actually physically walking through the punches.

    'In our second fight I recall hitting Steve with a right hand in maybe the 4th or 5th, I had decent room to execute the blow and lever into it, and for sure it was akin to a high-powered ballistic missile - I mean shots with less power had sent various opponents head over heels, and this man wasn't affected in the slightest. He just kept coming. What do you do with him?

    'Hundreds of amateur fights from aged seven or eight right through the levels and through the weights up to heavyweight in Ireland, beating all the travelling community and what not. He went to Boston as a young man with no money I believe, a cash-in-hand labourer and hunted Marvin Hagler to spar.

    'Conor McGregor has said he respects Steve Collins more than anybody in the world.'
     
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  2. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Steve Collins was a throw back to fighters of past era's. He would fight anyone ,
    ducked no one and always gave 100 %. He was and always will be the Celtic
    Warrior.
     
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  4. lencoreastside

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    Very hard man, Collins. No doubt.
     
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  5. N17

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    Errr yeah Eubank Sr more than likely still has an issue with messing up the Golovkin opportunity and now probably wants a mega payday against Canelo for Jr and oh and Sr lost twice to Collins..

    No agenda here obviously.
     
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  6. Bulldog24

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    GGG is stopping Canelo with a left hook to the body. I'd put money on specific punch stoppage if it was an option with bookmakers.
     
  7. lencoreastside

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    That's how I see it too...
     
  8. Bulldog24

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    Steve Collins was at his best against Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay in 1992 in the backyards of two of the slickest boxers not named Whitaker or Nunn, back-to-back disputed points losses. He was very successful with his sneaky counter overarm right against southpaw Reggie J (who was arguably robbed against Toney in his previous outing), and outworked back-foot Kalambay (who outclassed, well, everyone) with sharp combinations. He was terribly managed! Going from Reggie J world title loss to KALAMBAY IN ITALY (on Eurosport)!? Nigel Benn fought a far lesser fighter for far more money in Italy when he won the WBC crown on ITV.

    A white Irish-American managed correctly could've made big bucks in the States. When he fought in Vegas in the 80s he sold a lot of tickets real fast to American-based Irishmen. He got there in the end, over here. But he was past his best by the time us lot saw him believe it or not.
     
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  9. lencoreastside

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    Indeed. Older fans will know that the states never really worked out for Collins. Returning here was a bit of a desperation move that worked out brilliantly. It was a last throw of the dice for Collins. His time in the states gave him massive " street cred" back here, and he landed in the middle of Ben, Eubank etc. So all is well that ends well....
     
  10. Twentyman

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    I appreciate this isn't a British boxing comment, but posting my opinion on the general forum would get slaughtered...I'm just not sold by the whole GGG thing. He's fantastic at middleweight but he never seems to step up & fight a quality super middle, he's more than happy for fighters to step up to his comfort zone (Brook and now Canelo) though but he never leaves his own. He's had one fight where he's been pushed to the very limit (which I scored a draw) against Jacobs yet he's avoiding a rematch with him. He doesn't want to know with BJS either.
     
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  11. pow

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    What was the reason for Collins retirement?

    He wasn't that old and was looking unstoppable at super middle.
     
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  12. alpo1

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    killer calzaghe
     
  13. pow

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    Would love to have seen prime Froch v Collins.
     
  14. PaulLynch83

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    Av u forgot he got Schooled by Mayweather ]'Canelo Alvarez in my humble opinion as a former participant of this sexy but deadly form of art, is the best fighter in the world, lb4lb. I am a big admirer of his talent and skill and toughness, a throwback. He is trained old school by his trainers, as I was in New York City. He was a man at 16, as I was forced to be. And he learned his lesson against the grand master in Money Mayweather; and that was don't rush and lead but rather time a counter. I learned a similar lesson sparring Herol Graham. He has the best timing in the world, does this Alvarez. He is an aggressive counter puncher and they are rare at top level, he is #1 for me.

    'If you stand in front of Canelo, his combination punching ability is the best I've ever seen, he is so gifted and creative with his work around a guard. He reminds me a lot of Henry Wharton, if Henry Wharton wasn't naturally flat-footed, he was unbeatable - nobody doubled and trebled and quadrupled their left hands with hooks to the head and body and left uppercuts like that. Henry Wharton had the beating of me but didn't know how to execute a strategy, to pick shots and pick his spots and so on. Had Canelo did so against Floyd, he had the beating of Floyd Mayweather that night, and he has improved fight by fight since!

    'Even including Floyd, I might say Canelo is the best out there.'


    He also spoke about Steve Collins being the hardest man ever.

    'Steve Collins is the strongest candidate you can think of for being the toughest man ever, or hardest or sturdiest individual shall we say, ever. Mike McCallum told me he never hit anyone so hard to the body, he countered Steve downstairs all night long in Boston and I was ringside with Bob Arum that night and despite a Ricky Hatton-like Irish crowd I heard those body shots rip in there and I saw Collins not even flinch or wince or budge.

    'McCallum saw him with welts on his ribs a few hours after, smiling. Steve has rode horses since he retired from boxing, broke most of his bones taking falls and got back on the saddle every time so he says, and I can't disbelieve that. When Benn hit me I shuddered and squeezed my face, my body was shifted, my neck all jolted and so on; Collins wouldn't even blink when Benn struck him and was actually physically walking through the punches.

    'In our second fight I recall hitting Steve with a right hand in maybe the 4th or 5th, I had decent room to execute the blow and lever into it, and for sure it was akin to a high-powered ballistic missile - I mean shots with less power had sent various opponents head over heels, and this man wasn't affected in the slightest. He just kept coming. What do you do with him?

    'Hundreds of amateur fights from aged seven or eight right through the levels and through the weights up to heavyweight in Ireland, beating all the travelling community and what not. He went to Boston as a young man with no money I believe, a cash-in-hand labourer and hunted Marvin Hagler to spar.

    'Conor McGregor has said he respects Steve Collins more than anybody in the world.'
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    Have u forgot he got schooled by Mayweather?
     
  15. JackSilver

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    Ducked no one apart from Joe Calzaghe.
     
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