Roy Jones Jr winning a HW title.

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How much credit should Roy get for winning a HW title? Yes, he was the first fighter in a century to win titles from MW to HW, but he won a trinket belt by beating a slow, light-punching, undersized HW in Ruiz.
     
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  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not much. He cherry picked the easiest guy. Stil, it was a good performance. But, it would have been much more impressive if he had beaten the top guy in the division, not just a mediocre alphabet titlist.
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I do love how a 6 - 2, 226 pound John Ruiz is undersized but a 6-2, 216 pound Luis Firpo is a manmountain.

    Anyhow, Ruiz was still a relevant and elite heavy, able to give any heavy alive a difficult night with his own, unique brand of ring control. And he had a decent right hand, not as underpowered as some try to make out.
     
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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He deserves credit. Toney's win over Ruiz somewhat diminshed Jones accomplishment
     
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  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he'd fought and beat Lennox Lewis would that have put I'm down as the GOAT?
     
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  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Why Toney was a legitimate heavy weight roy jones never was
     
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  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No.. I always thought this was not legit. Ruiz was not worthy to be champ...
     
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  8. janitor

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    I would say that any case of a former ranked middleweight, beating a currently ranked heavyweight, is an exceptional result.

    Whatever Ruiz's limitations, he was unequivocally world class.
     
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  9. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Hate to admit it but Ruiz was solid. Holyfield, Kirk Johnson, Golota, Rahman, Oquendo, were all good victories.
     
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  10. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who was the betting favourite going into that fight?
     
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  11. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lewis don't let jones out of round 1 if he feels in the mood
     
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  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Yeah that would've been rough. I even think Tyson of '03 gets Roy out of there in the 1st.
     
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  14. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Legit? Sure why not. I hated the guy and rejoiced when RJJ took him to school. But he was deceitfully clever with all that damn holding. I think the Tua demolition job made him think twice about his profession.
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney's heavyweight run deserves to be rated higher than Jones.

    But Toney could have achieved so much more. Had he trained for the Rahman fight, he would have become WBC champ. That would have made a big difference in terms if his legacy.
     
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