Why did Marquez struggle against Barrera and Bradley?

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I find this really interesting. Marquez gave an ATG like Pacquiao absolute hell, even KOing him in the end. Yet somehow he struggles against Barrera (another ATG) and Bradley (future Hall of Famer), 2 fighters that Pacquiao had a much easier time with. Both outboxed Marquez for a good majority, with Bradley beating Marquez more comfortably (you can even argue Barrera winning also since it was close). How did Barrera and Bradley give Marquez a harder fight than Pacquiao? Pacquiao had to work harder to win narrowly against Marquez than either of them in my opinion.
    Marquez really does epitomize the term 'styles makes fights' much like Norton to Ali.
     
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  2. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Because styles make fights. It goes to show that just because A beat B who beat C doesn't mean A beats C.

    It's proven time and time again. If Bradley had more pop I think he'd have given Manny a much tougher time in both fights, he just hits too light.. Marquez hit's with some good pop. Barrera couldn't handle the whirlwind southpaw awkwardness of Manny, no shame in that. Marquez couldn't handle to Bradley's agressive awkward style that was conventional.. where he didn't have that straight right advantage he had vs Pac.

    Also, JMM wasn't close to prime in that fight either with Bradley. Remember he looked pretty bad in the Pac fight until landing that bomb... he was on his way to probably getting stopped.
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Bradley's youth and mobility made it difficult for Marquez to time Bradley.
     
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  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I especially agree with your point about Bradley's power; if he had it, he probably would've beat Pac. Especially in the rematch when he landed some clean shots.
     
  5. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Coulda woulda shoulda. It doesn't work that way. That's like saying if Pac was more defensive he would have beat Marquez. Pac was always going to be stylistic nightmare for Bradley.
     
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  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I know it doesn't work that way, we're discussing a hypothetical situation.
     
  7. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Pacquiao's been packing a broken chin since KTFO6, doe. Bradley's like Floyd... featherfisted is an overstatement. They have respectable power.
     
  8. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Marquez wasn't Marquez for III and IV.

    Marquez was Roidquez for III and IV.
     
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  9. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    He didn't struggle against Bradley, he absolutely got his ass whipped against Bradley. Barrera beat him too, though that one was much closer.
     
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  10. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marquez was getting out boxed by Pacquiao easier than any of their previous fights before the KO. Marquez ended that fight as emphatically and decisively as it is possible to end a fight but that doesn't erase how he wasn't boxing as well as he was in their three previous fights. He wasn't the same fighter he used to be at 140 and above.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Perfectly said.
     
  12. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    It's all relative. To Pacquiao, Bradley is feather fisted. To 90% of the welterweight division, Bradley is feather fisted.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Then what does that say about Bradley who can't hit half as hard as Pac a man who's optimal weight class is 126?

    Pacquiao's best weight class in a physical sense is 126 and yet he still hits much harder than Bradley who's optimal class was 140. Bradley's so overrated.

    Also a prime Barrera pummels Marquez like a drum.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well if Bradley hit harder he'd have a shot. Well no ****, but Pacquiao already came up from Flyweight. If only he hit hard enough to bust up a former Flyweight champion. LMAO. That's pathetic power. Bradley makes Algieri look like he's swinging a sledgehammer.
     
  15. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barrera was world class and Marquez is like 5 years older than Pac. Imagine a 5 years older Pac vs that Bradley and he prob loses.