Archie Moore's crazy weight fluctuations

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sorry if this is common knowledge, but I never realized just how much Moore yo-yo'd in weight (and weight classes) in the 1950s. I know that it wasn't uncommon for blown-up light heavyweights to take fights at heavyweight in that era, but has anyone ever gone back and forth like this?

    In around a year and a half, Moore went from:

    175 against Joey Maxim in late January 1954 to
    190 against Bob Baker in early March 1954 to
    189.5 against Bert Whitehurst in June 1954 to
    173 against Harold Johnson in August 1954 to
    196.5 against Nino Valdez in May 1955 to
    175 against Bobo Olson in June 1955 to
    188 against Marciano in September 1955

    In a similar time span later in the decade, he went from:

    189 against Howard King in August 1958 to
    173.75 against Yvon Durrell in December 1958 to
    192 against Sterling Davis in March 1959 to
    174.25 against Yvon Durrell in August 1959 to
    206.5 against Willi Bisamof in May 1960.
     
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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Thank you for this cool breakdown.
    That is nuts.
     
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    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah, crazy discipline it took to make those light heavy fights when he's 42, 43 years old and enjoying eating and fighting as a heavyweight.

    I know he used to chew the steak and spit it out, said it gave him the nutrients without the actual meat that would add weight. Said he learned in Australia from aboriginal people. Don't know if that was just a gimmick for the press men but it's a good story anyway. He was a notoriously hard trainer too.
     
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    Back then people didn't realize how dangerous and unhealthy gaining and losing weight that quickly is.
     
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    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He was royally pissed off at his manager for booking him to fight Bobo Olson in a LHW defense right after Nino Valdez in a HW eliminator. Theres a video where his manager is interviewing him prior to Olson and they get into a slightly heated exchange over it.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Apart from Kearns, I don't think Archie though too much of managers in general!
     
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    Why would an aboriginal need to diet?lol
     
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    They didn't need to diet because of the way they ate ! lol

    Somebody has actually posted the old article here :

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  9. JohnThomas1

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    To have longevity, let alone HIS longevity with all those fluctuations is insane. Not to mention the sheer quality of his resume.
     
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    If you want to believe Aboriginies watched their weight it's perfectly alright with me!
     
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    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good info. Moore & Marciano both weighed the same 188 lbs for their fight. But you have to wonder what the effect was on Moore to go from 196.5 (Valdez fight) down to 175 (Olsen fight) a month later, then back up to 188 three months later. The Olson defense was "unnecessary", and Moore might just have fine-tuned his 196.5 Vadez fight weight down to 192 or so for Marciano fight, and been stronger.
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Anyone have a sense of what Moore's optimal fighting weight would have been during those two periods (54-55 and 58-60)?
     
  13. Dance84

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    Only all time greats can do that and still fight at the top level


    yes sir archie is one bad son of a gun
     
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    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    this guy can fight in any era
     
  15. janitor

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    Did you think that crazy weight cutting was a new thing?
     
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