In Their First 10 Pro Fights, Who's Been More Impressive? Vasyl or Floyd?

Okay, in that post you're disagreeing with my metric and supplanting it with your own. If you like yours better, that's fine, I don't really care, I simply stated mine was more accurate than the thread starter's. Even the first 4 year metric has its drawbacks.

 

Shhh!!! Sound logic like this isn't welcomed in a agenda filled thread like this one.

 

How would Loma look with same amount of am fights as PBF did and turned pro at the same age as PBF did? How would his career be? I highly doubt he would have taken on a guy like Hernandez for his 18th pro fight. Yeah he's had an amazing start arguably better than anyone in history but there's an * next to it. He had over 400 am fights and was 26 and in his physical prime when he turned pro and he has a loss as well. Don't act as if he did this when he was 18, it's not the same thing. He was a full grown man when he turned pro and not a teenager. Hardly a fair comparison when you consider those factors.

 

Loma IMO looked at his absolute best in 2008/2009. More effective aggression, higher volume - harder to outpoint, harder to be competitive against him (things that cross over better to pros than his LW amateur very economic style). Fighting in the right weight class, too.
I don't want it to sound like rhetoric, I want you to see his Olympics 2008 run and his World Amateur Championships 2009 run where he broke his hand in the first fight.
...Maybe Loma is better now because he's probably a little smarter, or stronger - I don't know.

It's funny how no one expects this of Michael Conlan or Zhou Shiming, even though Loma had genuine adjustment issues (despite his victories). The average medalist in Olympics/Worlds are around 23 years old. That doesn't leave much scope for someone to turn pro at an early age after being a top amateur.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/777151 - Imagine if his 4th pro fight was a world title fight against Leo Santa Cruz....and he went on to win 10-2. It would set the boxing world alight.

Also, that's another thing. People use that line of argument, but then slate others for saying Loma beats Floyd - increasing numbers of people shouldn't be allowed to think Loma a guy in his late 20's beats prime, 130lb Floyd who was a kid. But again, I can't be getting into that discussion as Loma needs a Mikey and some other elite guy to really stake his claim.

 

Nasim Hamed was a Super Featherweight?

Really?

I hope you realize that Hamed was in his prime when Mayweather was still fighting @ 130lbs. Can you tell us why that fight never happened?

 

Losses count.

Mayweather 10-0

Lomachenko 9-1

Mayweather > Loma

 

Age is the best way to assess? Well maybe. Let's go through it by comparing each fighter at age 29:

Mayweather had been robbed of an Olympic Silver at least, had a Bronze medal.
Lomachenko won World Silver in 2007 - his only loss as an amateur.
Loma won Junior World Champion Gold in 2006, Mayweather didn't touch these levels.
Mayweather had 8 losses as an amateur, Lomachenko had 1 loss which he had avenged twice.

Lomachenko is arguably both GOAT AND TBE in amateurs.
Mayweather's career by age 29 ends with Carlos Baldomir I THINK. How great is Mayweather's resume up until that point? From 1996-1998, Mayweather fought absolute nobodies.
From 2003-2006, Mayweather fought Marriaga level opponents at best (that includes a shot version of Gatti who's worse than Marriaga).
Those are 6 years which are of mediocre standard to just outright poor standard from Floyd.

You have to ask yourself, what's greater beating a string of B to B minus grade 130lbers, 2 elite 130lbers, losing to Castillo in the opinion of most (and claiming a torn rotator cuff for which there is a zero shred of evidence for - having a shoulder issue also does not mean it's a significant tear either), beating the elite Castillo in the rematch.
Defending your title against some Marriaga's until you beat Zab Judah.
How many greater boxers are there than Floyd at 36-0? Many.

Mayweather is going down as a Top 30 ATG BECAUSE he basically had two careers, his second career hadn't started yet at 29.

OR
Winning the Val Barker trophy on top of the Olympic Gold (where every single opponent are consistent medalists in the senior tournaments - one of them being the Great Albert Selimov), being seen as P4P the no.1 amateur right up until your amateur retirement (apart from one year in 2010 when Loma was injured and thus Beterbiev was P4P no.1).
+
Winning the World Am Championships in 2009 with a broken hand in the first round, dropping only 7 points in that whole tournament
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Moving up to 132lbs where you were physically very small (the guys there are actually now Light Welterweights in amateurs) just because they eradicated the FW division, having probably the TBE tournament ever in terms of resume (all of them were Olympic Silver/Gold apart from the first opponent who was KO'd on a 1st round bodyshot).
+
Winning double Olympic Gold - something done less than 10 times before in history.
+
WSB champion (third different pointscoring system to adjust to)
+
WBO International Champion in your pro debut, losing a weird fight vs Salido whilst you're adjusting to pros making silly mistakes from lack of understanding rather than lack of 'game'
+
Tying boxing history's record of winning a world championship in 3rd pro fight
+
First person to be 2 weight world champ in 7 fights
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9 world title fights in 10 fights.


The answer is certainly Vasyl Lomachenko. If he retired now, he'd make HOF.

 

LOL

Heroin must be available extra strength these days.

 

Here's a hint

Not Floyd

 

This.

 

I think you have to say Loma s is more impressive but if you got a mayweather v Loma fight both 5 and 0 at say superfeather then Floyd would win despite lomachenkos amateur career

 

What a horse ish argument. How old were each when they turned pro brehs?

 

Wooooo someone's hit a nerve Unleashed... what a tetchy little clown neverboxedanytime...is