What's harder to deal with when fighting bigger men? Their power or their chin?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    We have weight classes because naturally larger men hit harder and they absorb pain much better. This was evident in the Brook GGG fight. In round 1 GGG had Brook doubling over in significant pain from a single body shot. And then in round 2 Brook unloaded on Golovkin with absolute flush power shots. And GGG just stared there looking at him. He soaked Brook's power up and absorbed it just ridiculously easy. You have to wonder if Brook was like FFS, why should either bother hitting him anymore. He's too tough and big.
     
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    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    They don't hit harder and they don't take a punch better. Are you telling me Klitschko has a better chin than Ali? Are you telling me that Dilian Whyte hits harder than Dempsey?

    Bullocks.
     
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    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    GGG is not a good example to use but there is a reason we have weight divisions...
     
  4. Darxide

    Darxide Active Member Full Member

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    You have to generalise, size is not everything.. but if you generalize; bigger men do have naturally more weight behind shots and can absorb punishment better due to heavier fat/bone structure etc.

    The answer to your question is simple. To win a boxing match you do not need to hurt or knock-out your opponent you need to outbox and avoid trading shots with bigger guys. In Brook/GGG Brook was doing a good job of outboxing GGG, but he got caught. Same was true in Khan/Canelo.

    If you can avoid the power differential it negates that advantage, if you can't then.. well you see what happens.
     
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    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Are you saying that if they had boxed better, welterweights Brook and Khan would have kept GGG and Canelo off of them for 12 rounds, despite the size and power differences?
     
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    GGG is a terrible example, but the thing that bothered me most was how ineffective I was in comparison to sparring against guys my size. The power wasn't THAT difficult to deal with because I was faster.
     
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    It's probably the chin more so the power

    Tell me anyone under 225 lbs could get hit by Wlad like Joshua was getting hit. That is why Joshua won the fight, he was the only got who could absorb Wlad's punishment. Even a big guy like Pulev was hitting the canvas like nothing.

    Force = Mass * Acceleration

    Now, the reason that smaller guys can at times hit harder then bigger guys is actually pretty simple. First, they are able to get a higher percentage of their weight into the punch. Next, their punches are extremely quick. And finally the biggest part of a knockout punch is that they weren't seen by the opponent. That is how you get KO'd in boxing.
     
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  8. latineg

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    It is both.

    Different big guys have different combo's of both their chin and their power.

    Those big guys are difficult to fight if they know a bit.

    Lucky im huge and the strongest on this forum.
     
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    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Their power simply. Look what happened to Broner when he fought Maidana at 147.
     
  10. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    size and strength a lot of times overcomes abilty

    scott harrsion was as very average skilled featherweight / but physically he was the strongest / biggest featherweight i have seen and it got him a title that his abilty never matched.

    khasoi galaxy was an absolute monster of a super flyweight and all his opponents looked tiny next to him and he must have the highest ko record of all the flys.
     
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    Yes of course to both !
     
  12. Matt Petley

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    GGG didn't 'catch' brook, it wasn't 1 fight that finished it, it was the sustained damage from a middleweight landing punches on his face that caused bad inures.
     
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  13. junkhead

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    When I used to box in the ams I lived in a small town, at times the boxing club membership dipped down to 3-4 people. At times it would be just me and the trainer lol. So there wasn't much in terms of choice for sparring. so I'd spar much heavier and taller guys on the reg. On an amateur level at least TBH I fought guys in the ams at my weight (I'd be around 67kg most fights) that hit harder than some of the 85-90kg dudes I'd spar. Just as I could still hurt guys upto that weight and take their shots well. I think there hits a peak where probably 70-90kgish, anyone can hurt anyone. Honestly, power differtial from those weights wasn't that bad.

    That said this was in the amateurs and hardly at a high level, in the pros it could be a lot different, where skill differential can't completely make up for size and weight advantage. But I'd be pretty confident some guys like Charlo, Lemieux, Jacobs, Golovkin, etc, could KO some top 50 cruiserweights. Cause they definitely could KO some of the heavy dudes I used to spar lol.

    Anyway in short I think skill is a bigger deal than size.
     
  14. HerolGee

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    they dont "absorb pain better" - thats an absurd notion!

    But their proportions as a whole generally means they have an advantage in keeping their opponent's punches at bay - height reach, the threat of them hitting back with more force, keeps their opponent at bay from landing as much as they do over any given period of time when they are both on full tank.
     
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    Wlad was likely just too gassed, or too afraid of getting chinchecked, to finish him.