Regarding the Ortiz/Bong Squad fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jacques81, Aug 31, 2017.


Who wins if it goes through?

  1. Ortiz by brutal KO

    20 vote(s)
    69.0%
  2. Wilder by dubious decision

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  3. Wilder lands a lucky KO punch while beind big

    8 vote(s)
    27.6%
  1. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel an addition to my Wilder list coming when either

    A. The fight is called off due to a Wilder injury or a dirty test from Ortiz
    B. He then ends up either not fighting for the rest of the year and we have to await a "big announcement" for 6 more months
    C. He fights a manufactured #15 WBC scrub if A. Happens and he fights
    D. He gets outclassed badly AGAIN, by geriatric Ortiz just to land a lucky punch in the last minute or
    E. He get's destroyed and slaughtered badly by Ortiz like we all expect.
     
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  2. Beyonce Wilder

    Beyonce Wilder Active Member Full Member

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    i can smell this already. i'd rather take a poll on which bum he'd fight on a week's notice instead
     
  3. BCS8

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    No way man!

    This fight is going down, and I take Option E. I expect Ortiz to show his class and put Wilder away. It's the first dangerous fight Bum Squad has had and I don't think he's going to enjoy it.

    If Wilder rises above his recent performances and beats Ortiz, then so be it. I will tip my hat to him.
     
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  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    There's a REASON Wilder's management even took this fight. While I expect him to shatter Wilder's fragile glass mandible - hell, a stiff breeze could do the trick - Ortiz is old and overrated, so it's not a slam dunk either.

    If Wilder's team does go through with the fight, it's because they think Ortiz is beatable - and he may be. If Wilder happens to win, it says far more about how limited Ortiz is than it undoes everything we know about Wilder.

    This noted, as old and limited as Ortiz is, the available evidence would suggest that he annihilates Wilder with the first solid shot landed.
     
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  5. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Intresting breakdown from a completely non biased and objective boxing aficionado.
     
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  6. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this is how it plays out.

    Ortiz outboxes Wilder for the first 4-5 rounds and at that point, Wilder begins to panic after his corner tells him he's down on the cards. When this happens, Wilder goes for broke & starts windmilling like he did to Washington but only difference is Ortiz will see Wilder's telegraphed shots, time him and unload a vicious uppercut on Wilder as he falls on his own shots.

    Lights out Wilder!
     
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  7. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Don't under estimate the power of the windmill
     
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  8. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a fight I want to see. Just think of the Washington fight. Then think of an Ortiz/Wilder fight.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    To be fair, Wilder looked especially awful against Washington.

    If that Wilder shows up, Ortiz will annihilate him.

    But I think he can do a bit better. It might even be a good fight.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be equally fair, how did you think Ortiz looked in his last outing?
     
  11. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Ummm. I never saw his fight with Allen. I will look it up
     
  12. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Come on guys Ortiz, isn't that good at all and his passport age isn't real age.
     
  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did you see him against Malik Scott?

    If that Ortiz shows up, how do you rate his chances?
     
  14. BCS8

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    Malik is a bit awkward. Ortiz looked kinda slow but I mean, he dropped him a ton of times.

    I just feel that Ortiz has the power and accuracy to splatter Wilder. Wilder tee'd off on guys like Duhaupas because they have no punch.

    I can see that you are intimating that this fight may be closer than we think, and you may be right.
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I tend to think Ortiz early or Wilder late right now. Haven't really locked in and studied or anything, but I do believe Wilder carries his power late and Ortiz looks to me to get sloppy as a fight wears on, so we'll see.

    I was initially responding to the idea that 'if the Wilder who fought Washington shows up, Ortiz will squash him" ... when Ortiz didn't look too sharp last time I saw him, either.

    Also think Ortiz may lose some snap if he has to be VADA tested as he can't juice. Might look and fight a bit more his age.

    Hopefully, we'll see.