No One Deserved To Lose, But Cuadras Was The One Deserving Of A Win...

for starters, cuadras uses the whole ring and almost never plants his feet, unlike canelo who nails his feet to the mat and uses his waist for movement. cuadras tries to always get off first and then move out of range, whereas canelo lets you fire first so he can counter you as long as you stay in range. cuadras never likes to have his back on the ropes, while canelo loves to cover up and counter off the ropes. canelos offence is centered off hooks to the body at close range, cuadras mainly hooks wide to the head from the outside. cuadras steps to the sides when you punch at him, canelo skips straight back. those are just some of the obvious reasons why they fight nothing alike, theres more, but thats more than enough to illustrate my point and answer your question.

 

estrada came out so relaxed almost too relaxed, hell he lost the first 5 rounds. I suspect he had a plan all along , after that he started closing distance and landing real power, seeming unafraid , maybe quadras had wasted energy earlier.

I think in such a close fight , the knock down late in the fight sealed the win for estrada, and he seemed like he had quadras hurt a couple more times after that.

give one guy half a dozen rounds, give the other guy a half dozen rounds, and that one extra point for the knockdown will be the difference.

 

Obviously I didn't mean that they are carbon copies of each other. No two fighters are since each has his individual characteristics and idiosyncratic preferences. But that exact carbon copy isn't essential to say that they have enough in common to make them similar. Also, your description seems to exaggerate certain things which aren't obvious to all of us. For example, obviously:

1. Canelo doesn't restrict himself to one area of the ring

2. Canelo's defense isn't restricted to skipping straight back and never stepping to the side.

3. Canelo's OCASSIONAL covering up using the ropes can't be tagged as something he just loves to do all the time. There are fights, such as against Cotto, Mosely, and Kahn where he never uses that tactic. Used it just once against Kirkland for approx. ten seconds. If he had used it all the time during fights like Ali, then that conclusion would be justified. But since he obviously doesn't it isn't.

You also ignore these general similarities:


1. They essentially both employ a counterpunching strategy
2. Both use counterpunching to the body to unbalance the opponent
3. Both employ the whole ring as Canelo did with Trout.
4. Both use a lot of evasive head movement and jabs.

In short, both fighters are extremely versatile in their approach unlike fighters like Arguello, Tito Trinidad, Mayorga, Joe Louis, Tyson, Rocky Marciano and David Tua who were totally predictable and robotic in each fight.

That having been said, Canelo has more power and appears to have the better chin and is technically more sound.

 

Cuadras did not "easily" win the first, or the second. Very little in those rounds and I gave them both to Estrada due to superior quality of work. Also not much in the fifth- which I gave to Cuadras.

There's more room to move toward a competitive but clear Estrada win than to Cuadras, I think. Either way, there's no way at all that I could find seven to give to Cuadras. Had the judges done so, I would have been screaming robbery myself- and that's something I rarely do.

 

"]Obviously I didn't mean that they are carbon copies of each other."
nobody claimed you said that. stick to arguing where there is actually an argument.

"No two fighters are since each has his individual characteristics and idiosyncratic preferences. But that exact carbon copy isn't essential to say that they have enough in common to make them similar."
again, nobody brought up anything about carbon copies. The things you believe make them "similar" would also make them similar to every other boxer in the sport, so why even bring it up like it means anything.

"Also, your description seems to exaggerate certain things which aren't obvious to all of us. For example, obviously:"
of course they arent obvious to someone like you, you believe they fight in a similar fashion ffs, how much could you possibly know?

"1. Canelo doesn't restrict himself to one area of the ring"
name me 1 fighter that does and it will give you a clue to how much nuance you are able to decipher in a boxers boxing style.

"2. Canelo's defense isn't restricted to skipping straight back and never stepping to the side."
again, you made a statement that means nothing, i illustrated that it means nothing, and you answer with nothing. your inability to pick up on what a fighter does in the ring and recognize patterns proves where your level of knowledge is currently at.

"3. Canelo's OCASSIONAL covering up using the ropes can't be tagged as something he just loves to do all the time. There are fights, such as against Cotto, Mosely, and Kahn where he never uses that tactic. Used it just once against Kirkland for approx. ten seconds. If he had used it all the time during fights like Ali, then that conclusion would be justified. But since he obviously doesn't it isn't."
you forgot to mention how he begged chavez to do just what i illustrated, but seeing how much you actually know, that omission is justified.


You also ignore these general similarities:


"1. They essentially both employ a counterpunching strategy"
wrong, all boxers counterpunch, but cuadras tries to get off first, then counterpunches when getting off first isnt enough.

"2. Both use counterpunching to the body to unbalance the opponent"
wtf does this even mean

"3. Both employ the whole ring as Canelo did with Trout."
again, as opposed to what other boxer?

"4. Both use a lot of evasive head movement and jabs."
so do hundreds of other boxers, so why pick canelo and cuadras to call similar?

"In short, both fighters are extremely versatile in their approach unlike fighters like Arguello, Tito Trinidad, Mayorga, Joe Louis, Tyson, Rocky Marciano and David Tua who were totally predictable and robotic in each fight."
all i can take from this is that YDKSAB.

"That having been said, Canelo has more power and appears to have the better chin and is technically more sound."
really? the much bigger guy hits harder and has a better chin? GTFOH!
for some reason you believe pulling out the thesaurus will cover up your extremely limited understanding of what is happening in the ring. you would sound a lot more intelligent if you just admitted you were wrong, it would at least indicate that you are able to grow outside of your ego.
because i CAN pick up on patterns, now you can pretend to feel insulted in order to distance yourself from what is a clear indication that outside of trying to sound like you know wtf youre talking about, you very clearly dont.

 

The knock-down was probably point-wise, the difference in the fight.

 

Most of your post is unreadable since you mix my comments along with yours without using quotation brackets to separate the twain. That forced me to skip to the end where you go ape and start driveling and ranting with insults. That is called flaming and trolling which is detrimental to a calm discussion of the subject.

BTW
Nothing unusual about words I use. A remedial course in basic English reading comprehension might help.

 

It was definitely a close fight that's for sure. Cuadras says that one knockdown should not have been enough to turn the fight around. He assumes that he was winning by a large margin prior to that knockdown which was the way the commentators were calling it. Personally saw the fight as hinging on who took that last round and since Cuadras clearly won it I gave it to him. A draw would have been fine as well. Matter of personal opinion on this one.

 

Estrada vs Cuadras

R1 10-9 Cuadras Cuadras working the body, aggressive, throwing combinations, volume. Estrada trying to be precise and counterpunch.

R2 10-9 Cuadras Cuadras punching combos at Estrada’s face. Estrada needs to let his hands go. Didn’t look like he threw five punches that round.

R3 10-9 Estrada Estrada showing skills, letting his hands go, blocking some, trading and not letting Cuadras back him up anymore. Cuadras having success too, but Estrada’s round. Flashy dodging by Estarada late in the second minute.

R4 10-9 Estrada Lederman gave the last round for Cuadras. Talks about him being the aggressor and backing Estrada up, but the entire minute he’s talking Estrada is backing Cudras up. The tempo has changed. Cuadras lands heavy looping shots and Estrada lands crisp straight and short shots. Close round.

R5 10-9 Estrada Both guys got chin checked. I liked Estradas a little better.

R6 10-9 Estrada Estrada’s best round so far. Sitting down on his punches. Hurting Cuadras with jabs and uppercuts. Cuadras has been in reverse four rounds now taking some sting off his punches.

R7 10-9 Estrada First minute to Cuadras. Cuadras gassing, looking weak, and Estrada goes in for the kill. Big round for Estrada. Cuadras arm punching looking tired.

R8 10-9 Cuadras First minute to Estrada. Second minute to Cuadras. Third minute to Cuadras.

R9 10-9 Cuadras Cuadras stopped brawling stopped doing most of the things that were giving Estrada success and is outlanding now plus hitting harder. Estrada walks into his shots and Cuadras steadily moves backwards.

R10 10-8 Estrada Estrada catches Cuadras and knocks him down one minute in. Estrada backed off instead of going for the kill and Cuadras makes it out of the round. He probably won’t get another chance like that.

R11 Even Close round. Estrada just let that opportunity slip away. Cuadras backed away until his head cleared, tried some body shots like early, and even got some good hooks in late.

R12 10-9 Cuadras Estrada too timid. Reminds me of early Marquez. Very technical, but that passion is missing. Cuadras more active takes the round.

6 Estrada, 5 Cuadras, 1 even. +1 to Estrada for the knockdown

 

Yeah, if only Golovkin had power he'd be the total package.

 

translation- it all makes me look like a dumbass who thinks flowery wording will hide the fact i never know wtf im talking about, so i will refrain from drawing attention to it.

 

cuadras is so awkward to look at, stumbling around the ring like that

 

You call that stumbling?