Golota would beat both Klitschkos

Who would WK have beaten if he was around during the 90's?

How would he become champ? . One 90's journeyman and one 90's failed contender knocked him out during his own era.

I don't see how he'd even even pick up a belt when he has to fight guys Like Coatzer , MaCall , Golota , Rahman , Mercer , Tua , Morrison just to get at Lewis , Bowe , Holyfield , Foreman and Tyson.

How does he do with no big bro around to keep him safe from Lennox Lewis and avenge his losses when he gets knocked out? With no home advantage and personal refs who allow him hold 80% of the round.. The Brewster fight showed what happens to Wlad when he can't use holding to deal with pressure.
How does he do without Manny Steward in his corner? He had to aquire the services of Steward just to stay above the worst run of scrubs in history.

His career best performance according to his fans is the ghost of Ray Mercer and David Haye. David Haye wasn't as good as a guy like Jesse Furgeson.
Its like saying Mike Tyson was an ATG because he beat Ferguson..

I dont see how you can rank a guy so highly after he goes life n death vs Peters. Especially when his performance grades a 3/10 and a guy like Larry Holmes would pitch a 10/10 performance against Peters?
How can i say that? Look at that Shavers fights. And Peter was nowhere near as good as Shavers.
Hell , even Helenius scored a 9/10 rating vs Sam Peters.


Does this look like an ATG to you?

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How come you don't ever mention Adamek or Saleta? Both ko'd Golota, and Adamek was a blown up lightheavyweight.
Adamek, Saleta and Wach made Poland proud. Golota's so called legacy is a stain.

 

Golota was well past his prime when he fought both Adamek and Saleta. The truth those two fights should have never happened. It was money for the promoters. The leaders at Polsat, one of Poland's biggest television channels, sensed an opportunity to capitalize on Golota's big name and cash in on a big payday so they went ahead and propelled for Saleta and Adamek to step in the ring with the most famous Polish boxer in history.

The reason I never mentioned Wach, Adamek, or Saleta is because I wrote a piece on Golota's legacy, not a piece on Polish heavyweights. Adamek certainly made Poles proud with his successes at light heavyweight and cruiserweight, but not when he stepped up to heavyweight. Saleta was only a fringe contender at best throughout his career. He only held the European title and never fought for a piece of the heavyweight crown. And Wach tested positive for steroids following his world title bid which makes the valiant effort he put forth in that [title fight] against Wladimir Klitschko 100% tainted, or, to use your term, "stained". When speaking of the glamour division, no fighter from Poland comes close to emulating Andy's feats.

Whether anybody likes it or not, Golota will always remain a local boxing legend and an iconic sports figure within his country. He is the greatest Polish heavyweight in boxing history. His biggest achievement is fighting to a draw with then-IBF champion Chris Byrd at boxing's mecca, Madison Square Garden, in 2004. That draw means he achieved the best result in a world heavyweight prizefight among all Polish heavyweights who ever fought for a piece of the division’s crown.

 

So Golota's best performance was a draw against Chris Byrd, who LOST twice against a boxer - Wladimir Klitschko - who will be a "mere footnote" in boxing history?

Great argument you are putting up there, pal

 

The only reason Chris Byrd didn't lose his belt is because he was handled by Don King. I had the old and faded Golota as the clear victor.

After that draw Byrd then beat Williamson who had just out boxed , floored and forced WK's corner to pull him out in just 5 rounds.

Ask yourself how did Williamson get the shot at Byrd despite having received the loss in the Williamson fight? Because the IBF saw the blatant quit job by Wlad and refused to move him up the rankings. He was get stopped in another 3 -4 rounds. He was finished after the knock down In a stroke of absolute luck they used a little scratch on his forward to pull him out.. Williamson was in total control and got horribly robbed

And this guy is meant to be an ATG who automatically has the beating of former top level fighters who fought in far more tougher and competitive era's than his own?? He couldn't even dominate his own era and his era was the worst known to mankind

 

There's a huge difference between achievement and performance. As was already noted for you, Golota was the clear winner against Byrd and should have gone home with the IBF trinket that night, making Polish history in the process. Boxing is a business of crooked and unfair decisions. Andrew is one of many victims.

Many prizefighters put on extraordinary performances in the ring but don't always get awarded the victory. The thing is, though, months go by and fans don't even remember the outcome of the fight anyway. Golota's best performances are hands down against Bowe. His greatest achievement is the draw with Byrd that he should have won. Achievement is a formality. The best result on a boxer's record most often is his biggest accomplishment. For example, a prizefighter in all of his career could have won just one major world championship (WBO) against a lower quality opponent but engaged in a thrilling Ring Magazine Fight of the Year against the highest quality opponent that ended in a loss. On paper, though, under career highlights, the WBO title would likely be listed first.

Above I stated that boxing is crooked. Now I will say that boxing is also not always black and white. You have to be able connect the dots and see through an array of nuances.

 

Fair enough post.

I thought Golota looked great against Bowe, haven't seen a lot of his other stuff.

 

More of the usual by Dino

I don't have the time or energy to troll ya today, Dino.

You may tick one of your check boxes on your calendar for today "Saw off Wlad fanatics, great victory" right next to the shopping entry for prune juice and digestive biscuits

 

I thought he looked superb against Bowe too. After that his best showing was against Corey Sanders, then Mollo probably.

Anyway, when you get some free time, maybe check out these highlights. These are only snippets but at least there's clips of Golota in action in other bouts.

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*hat tip* Thank you.

 

You know, time goes by and our opinions may change. I am admitting right here that after the Klitschko-Joshua fight, I was wrong about the Klitschko brothers. I take back what I said that Wladimir will be a mere footnote in boxing history. The Klitschkos are actually the opposite and the Joshua fight verified that after the great performance Wlad gave. Not only are the Ukrainian brothers not mere footnotes, they rewrote heavyweight history and are both arguably all-time greats! I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong, I take this in stride in class act fashion. Wlad and Vitali are also probably the greatest brotherly tandem in boxing history.

 

Both k bros break fole pole nose