Which was a harder fight for GGG? Canelo or Jacobs?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tommyg6, Sep 17, 2017.


Which one?

  1. Canelo

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  2. Jacobs

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    75.0%
  1. MrTombourineMan

    MrTombourineMan Торрейра хорошо. Full Member

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    He won the vast majority of them relatively straightforwardly. Trella giving Canelo the 7th is a non-argument, you're using horrific scoring to justify your case there. I guess you could just about make an argument for Canelo winning the 6th when (I think, I haven't rewatched to assert this) he landed arguably the punch of the night (plumb uppercut against the ropes) but GGG landed with his own uppercut literally 2 seconds later and then won the rest of the round in typical fashion by cutting off the ring and outlanding the jab two to one, and that was the pattern for all of the middle rounds. Canelo fought for 20-30s and then hitched it on the back foot, occasionally he'd be forced to fight his way off the ropes and land a power shot or two but whenever he did he would have to sponge a power shot from GGG in reply. When the exchange of bombs is equal I have to give the round to the guy forcing the issue, to the guy maneuvering his opponent around with the jab and systematic footwork, to the guy with superior ring generalship and throughout rounds 4-9 that was always GGG.
     
  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    What?
    Its a sport that is scored round by round and how many points each fighter gets upon completion of a round.
    What does it matter if you finished the fight weak, but you still secured more points?
    Not only did i think Jacobs won way more rounds than Canelo, i actually thought Jacobs won more rounds than Golovkin did. Thus i had it 114-113 for Jacobs, which makes the KD round moot.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    G's uppercut had literally nothing on it. It barely even connected. It grazed his beard. Whereas Canelo's upper absolutely rocked Gennady. It was the best punch of the night, and a punch like that is certainly enough to win Canelo that round. That's another round I'll be sure to take another look at. If I'm not mistaken Canelo may have landed the harder jabs in that round. Again, it's quality vs quantity, surely we can agree that G was throwing more than Canelo. But Canelo was landing the more impressive earth shattering punches.


    Canelo was setting up punches, the exchange of bombs wasn't equal, Canelo had the advantage in that department, that's where the deabte comes in. You're miscalculating the exchange of bombs and convincing yourself that they were equal, then giving rounds to the guy forcing the issue. I'd like to add that in round 4 the ring generalship was debatable, because Canelo went back to the ropes voluntarily and Triple G wasn't able to land anything with Canelo on the ropes.

    That's ring generalship for Canelo, and to give you another comparison, who in your opinion had the better ring generalship in the Rumble in the Jungle? Foreman or Ali? Ali round after round backed up to the ropes voluntarily, and he lured Foreman in. That was an example of Ali's superior ring generalship. So what Canelo did there in Round 4 the fact that he was making G miss along the ropes is ring generalship. Canelo made G come to him. Just because you are coming forward doesn't necesarily mean you are the ring general.

    Canelo was making G come to him, certainly at times G was the ring general, basically after a while Canelo's backing away became excessive, but when he first started it like in round 4 I would argue that Canelo was the ring general because he was forcing G to come to him. In the same way that an army retreats behind a hill, and forces the opposing army to chase you through open fields, then when they get in range they have cover. That's generalship to retreat behind cover and force an opposing army into open space where they can easily be picked off without cover. That's what Canelo did there. Now I'll have to take another look at round 4 because I don't think Canelo landed anything earth shattering, but still it was a very even round. I don't remember G landing anything too major on Canelo, but I'll have to take another look.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Canelo had better defence than Jacobs and fought more defensively. Golovkin found it harder to land on him.
    Jacobs had better offense than Canelo and was actually trying to blast Golovkin out of there.

    I'd say that Jacobs was more dangerous for Golovkin even though I scored the fights about the same.

    Jacobs > Canelo should they ever fight.

    In fact I reckon Jacobs might even be more dangerous for Canelo than Golovkin was.
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are the majority on here smoking crack? Canelo put some hurting on Golovkin even if he didn't do enough to win.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well Jacobs has a considerable height and reach advantage on Canelo. Jacobs is a tough matchup for anybody. The problem for Jacobs is I think he's a little chinny (at least when compared to Canelo & G) and I don't think he can take those bombs that Canelo landed on G.

    I could see Jacobs taking a lead on Canelo early on much like Khan did, but then Canelo clipping him at some point. I disagree that Jacobs had better offense than Canelo, though it's a different kind of offense. From memory, Jacobs may have put punches together better on G at times, Canelo wasn't really able to put punches together as well as he usually does. And I'm not sure that had as much to do with G as it has to do with how he fought G. I think Canelo is fully captable of landing more combos on G but he would need to come forward more and duck the jab to do that and get inside. I'm wondering if Canelo decided to fight G from the outside after watching the success that Jacobs had on the outside.
     
  7. james5000

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    Jacobs beat GGG, Canelo scraped a draw
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually Jacobs lost : He got knocked down and faded in the 12th. Canelo became the first to dent G's record.
     
  9. james5000

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    Not IMO, I thought Jacobs dominated most of the fight and out worked GGG

    I even counted the punches thrown in the fight as I could not believe the compubox numbers and I was right Jacobs did indeed throw more punches than GGG. Landed more cleaner harder shots too, majority of GGGs connects were partially blocked and aren't really scoring punches in the pro game.

    Canelo got out hustled but made it close by also landing the eye catching bigger punches.
     
  10. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Jacobs also won the 12th IMO
     
  11. Chutz

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    I think you could make a better case for Jacobs having beat Golovkin than you can for Canelo
     
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  12. kk17

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    Still think Golovkin won both fights but I can see how someone has a draw or Jacobs ahead. Can't see a draw or a Canelo win in saturdays fight
     
  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Jacobs was closer to winning, so if that's what "harder" means, than yeah, him.

    If "harder" is in the sense of "brutal, taking punishment", then it was the Canelo fight.
     
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  14. Farmboxer

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    Golovkin still beat Jacobs, but Jacobs did better than Alvarez......................although Jacobs did get knocked down and staggered late in the fight..........................
     
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