Didn't Floyd campaign at JMW? 5-6 lbs below as opposed to the 8 lbs SMW is from MW and 15 lbs LHW is from MW. Also... Everyone is bound to call him out, as he's the biggest name in the sport and a payday against him dwarfs pretty much anything else. Anyways. Hate filled scum like Dinovelvet just want to see Golovkin hurt, by much bigger fighters. Glad to see you support and share their sadism. I've never been one of those that thought a Golovkin/Ward fight would have been good or that Golovkin had a chance in that.
I dont know im still trying to understand how much of that was GGG on the decline and how much of it was Canelo being fantastic. Rather than moving Golovkin down any unofficial Middleweight rankings i think i may just throw Canelo in at number 2.
Not quite yet. Nothing will ever erase the hatred he has for the Klitschkos after Vitali held him down and Wlad put a giant mushroom stamp in the middle of his forehead. At least, that's what I think happened.
Ok , lets compare Golovkin to Jones Junior. At 34 Jones moved up to HW and decisively beat John Ruiz. Golovkin fanboys claim he was too old at 34 to decisively beat Danny Jacobs. Jones could have looked spectacular well into his late 30's if stayed at MW and SMW all his career. He still beat Tarver at LHW coming back down from HW and everybody knows taking off weight like that is career suicide. Roys knockout losses were attributed to him coming down from HW which servery weakens the body and mandibular strength. He's never gotten passes for those losses because he was 35/36. GGG gets every excuse under the sun made for him by his stupid casual fanbase. A 34 year old Jones would mop the floor with Canelo. Hopkins dominated Trinidad close to 37 and Hoya at 40. Im not saying 35 is better than 25. There's no rules to this but every case is different. There are cases of guys being better at 35 than they were at 25 , Froch and Martinez for example. Golovkin hasn't beat better guys when he was younger so there is nothing to suggest he was better. The Medey Boudha fight shows him eating uppercuts just like he does now and Ouma peppered his dome like there was no tomorrow. What evidence is there to to prove he'd ever blow away Jacobs or Canelo?
Thoughts on the fight: First and foremost I thought both guys fought a tremendous fight. Possibly fight of the year. There was drama before and after the fight, it was back and forth action, it was a chess match, and both guys dropped bombs on each other. I actually scored it 7-5 Canelo, but I could see why it would be scored the other way around. I think 8-4 either guy starts showing a bias to me. I think a draw was the most appropriate call. Thoughts on GGG fanboys: This is the only website I consistently post on that 90% of the posters think GGG won. On most of the other boxing forums the posters voted 50-50 on who won. This is a predominately pro-GGG forum and I'm a GGG fan. If anything I posted this to point out the inconsistencies in the GGG fanboy claims. I don't think Canelo can suck while GGG can be great. Thoughts on GGG: If anything I'm a boxing fan first, but I like GGG's style because it's the closest to Chavez Sr. style that I've seen since. Abel Sanchez has said in interviews that that is how he trained GGG and it's obvious in his cutting off the ring skills, and that left hook to the body. I also think GGG beat Jacobs in a close fight. Thoughts on Middleweight: I think GGG and Canelo can mix it up with any middleweight in history. I think the criticism that GGG fought in a weak era is also true for Martinez, Pavlik, Taylor, and Hopkins. I middleweight has always been top heavy with really only 1 or 2 guys to highlight the weight class every few years. I think GGG is in a position to unify the division and break Hopkins record. I think he should fight BJS first so he can guarantee a win, and fight Canelo next for his payday.
Good post. I scored it 7-5 Golovkin. It was a good, close fight that I would like to see again. In my opinion GGG looked a bit flat in some respects (slow start, no bodywork) but Canelo was also a factor in that. I also agree: Saunders December, Canelo in May
Let's be real Golovkin hasn't been as impressive since his level of opposition has improved. He used to be very accurate but in his last 3 fights his accuracy level dropped significantly. Question is, is he getting old or is it down to the fact now he's operating at a higher level he looks far from invincible. Golovkin is clearly a top fighter but for me he has a lot to prove to be regarded as a true great at middleweight and belong with the likes of Hagler, Greb, Robinson, Hopkins etc.
Oh Lord! coming down in weight weakens the mandibular strength? Whew! Roy got knocked out by Tarver because he was 35 years old and didn't have the reflexes to pull away from punches like he used to. The comical statement that he could have looked spectacular into his late thirties if he'd stayed at middle or super middle is hilarious!! Do you think that will stop the aging process? Trinidad was a natural welterweight, Oscar did his best work at 20 pounds less. You can have success at 35 but you are not better! The fact that some fighters can adapt to age better than others doesn't refute my point. Golovkin didn't beat better guys when he was younger??? Who did he duck? who did he avoid at middleweight? He begged for Chickenelo for years because he ran his mouth about how he wanted it and he waited till GGG was 35. Now listen carefully,,,,,,why did they wait that long? Because Gennady Golovkin wouldn't be as dangerous at 35 years old that's why.
Wherever you had it, now he's lower. Btw Ward would F him so hard that gg would fall in love and propose. Litle gigi did well skipping this fight.
What are these forums? Everywhere I have seen is pretty convincing in GGGs favour. Also I don't think people are saying Canelo sucked and GGG was great are they? I haven't read anything like that unless it's a troll haha Like you said it was a good close fight. Not sure that's really debatable is it??
Golovkin is clearly a great fighter and one of the great middleweights. Few middleweights from the past would be favoured to beat him. It's unfortunate his best opponents have fought him at the very end of his career. Wins like Jacobs and Canelo are good wins but there is always the question whether he has struggled more with his opponents as his level of opposition has increased or whether it was down to him being on the slide a bit. Chances are it was a combination of both but we would have been able to judge his peak ability better if top fighters were to have fought him at a younger age then they ended up doing.
Thats the first time ive heard that excuse. Ive been around this forum a long time and i never once read that Tarver only knocked out Roy because he was 35. Do you want me to pull the endless Roy Jones chin shattering threads?? You won't find anywhere that says age was the reason Tarver KO'd RJJ The fight on Saturday proves me right and you wrong. The guy at 35 had better endurance and stamina than the guy who was 27. Canelo's workrate was atrocious and much for this youthful vigor , he had to take rounds off mid fight to conserve his energy. How is this possible that GGG at 35 was the better conditioned fighter? Explain that to me?