Jim Lampley: Golovkin is "deteriorating" as a fighter

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  1. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Golovkin is not a quitter that is for certain! So come Cinco de Mayo we will find out if he is in fact slipping.

    This is not game, This is Boxing! no but seriously I think Golovkin comes out firing sooner than round 4 this time, I can't wait its going to be better than the first fight!
     
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  2. Phelps-Brady

    Phelps-Brady Slicker than Raspberry ripple banned Full Member

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    Offensive fighter's have shorter shelf lives. 35 is well past physical prime, mental? No, not really... I think Canelo actually fought quite a negative fight (his prerogative) & that wasn't expected by GGG hence his winning but lacklustre showing. Canelo looked the younger flashier fighter, of course he did, he's mid 20's... But he was only doing that for the first third of a lot of rounds & was uncomfortable with triple G cutting the ring off, it was Golovkins pressure that won him that fight, he didn't allow Canelos work rate & combination punching the room it needed a lot of the time. I do think today's version is a lot better than the FMJ version, can u imagine if Canelo had fought like that against Floyd! Totally different style.. Also the experience he has gained now fighting Floyd, GGG, Lara, Cotto, Chavez.. He'll be a tough guy to beat (especially with the paid off judge lol) Canelo is elite & a special fighter no doubt. But i still think GGG wins the rematch. When u change your style to bamboozle your opponent & have Byrd as a judge & still can't win you know he's met his match! Lol
     
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  3. BCS8

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    I didn't want to say it outright
     
  4. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I thought so also. Not sure we'll ever see a rematch though.
     
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  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    GGG is deteriorating in some regards, but more important than the deterioration is the evolution.

    It speaks to just how dominant he was that people treat someone going 12 rounds with him and winning 4 as "exposing" Golovkin, when that same scorecard gets called a "schooling" for other guys.

    In a sense, they're right. But what's being exposed isn't what they think it is. What's exposed is that when he's not the knockout seeking, occasionally reckless pressure stalker, he still has the ability to control the range of the fight with one of the best jabs in the game. He can dictate range and pace even when he's the smaller man, the older man, or both, and can do it vs high level opposition. He does this while being brutally efficient with his own movement and energy. That part can't be fully appreciated unless we were still having 15 round title fights, but it was apparent that Canelo & Jacobs couldn't keep the pace three minutes every round with GGG despite being younger.

    The days of "mythical" GGG are likely done for, and it's a shame we didn't get more big matchups with him in it. The biggest mistake he made, in hindsight, was picking Universum to start his career- one that set him back years. Now, the big fights are easier to make. And those who step up have discovered that, beyond the "myth", GGG "the man" is still a hell of a boxer & ring general.
     
  7. BCS8

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    Great ****ing post :thumbsup:
     
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  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    LOL, I guess caliber of opposition has nothing to do with Golovkin's performances the last two fights.

    Footwork say's Lampley? Canelo's head and waist movement have nothing to do with Golovkin not being able to get set to punch?

    The issue with why I didn't see Golovkin winning is because although he was pursuing, for the most part he was only able to land range finding jabs on Canelo.
    Usually when a figher is able to land the range finding jab, he can connect with follow up power, but because Canelo was moving his head and swiveling the waist, Golovkin couldn't find him with power.........Credit Canelo, and defense people is part of the scoring criteria.
    Canelo's defense was eons above that of Golovkin's, that's why Canelo was able to land with harder more snapping shots than the heavier handed Golovkin.

    I didn't see the deterioration Lampley is talking about.
    Let Golovkin fight any of the fighters he's stopped and we'll get the old GGG back, the knockout artist!
     
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  9. BCS8

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    I agree that Canelo has superb defence and movement. I was expecting plodding feet, and instead he was able to run a marathon. Golovkin has lost a step, but it's a small step. Ginger needs to get credit for his performance as well.
     
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  10. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You seem to be only seeing what you want to see, rather than what actually is taking place before you.

    Golovkin is far beyond his best now. That began to become clear in the Brook fight, when GGG was 34 years old. As I said in another thread on this subject, Hagler was retired at age 32 and Ward just said his body was essentially done at age 33.

    Jacobs knew what was going on with GGG in the Brook fight, which is why he said this leading up to his showdown with Golovkin.

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    That's a fighter talking, a guy who is evaluating an opponent. "Perfect timing" = GGG on the downward slope.

    Rock said it well in his post above here. GGG has an incredible set of skills, including his jab. He also was amazing at cutting off the ring and trapping guys, as Lampley pointed out (in mentioning GGG's slippage). And once they were trapped, that's it. It's over.

    I'm not a huge fan of Ward but I knew he was in decline in recent years and have said so here. Because it's the truth. As in, "if Ward were to lose now, then he may have lost because he's on the downward arc at this point in time."

    Does stepping up in competition affect things? Of course. But GGG wanted to step up in competition years ago, when Martinez and others ducked him. When Canelo dropped his belt rather than face GGG.

    Timing matters. Age matters. Canelo has courage now when he did not previously as regards Golovkin because Golovkin is on the slide.

    Nothing on earth would have allowed Canelo to last the entire fight against Prime Golovkin. He would have been obliterated.

    Canelo did little in the fight, save run, after the first 4 rounds or so. I'm very much in agreement with what both Jacobs and Pavlik said about the fight. You can't win rounds on the back foot landing meaningless shots and fighting in spurts when you seem to be essentially running away and trying to survive. I know we just concluded the Mayweather Era but that style of fighting isn't often going to carry the day. Especially when you are being outlanded.

    Did GGG miss a lot of shots? He sure did. And many of those missed shots would not have been missed a few years ago, which is why Canelo doesn't see the final bell against Prime Golovkin.

    Prime Golovkin did not have great speed or movement. Those are his two limitations. But it didn't matter, because he was overwhelmingly good at everything else. And his skill level was so high.

    Prime Chavez Sr. did not have exceptional speed or movement, either. And, of course, that didn't make a whole lot of difference itself. He just broke you down, bit by bit, and kept coming at you until you fell apart.

    Golovkin is, to me, a more "power" version of Chavez Sr. Senior being more machine gun and Golovkin being more howitzer.

    Prime Golovkin is an overwhelming offensive force. He is a category five hurricane that cannot be stopped.

    Brook, Jacobs and Canelo showed what is the only true gameplan that can work against Golovkin. But it's not a gameplan that is likely to succeed, particularly against Prime Golovkin. Maybe you survive but you're not going to win.

    Is Prime Golovkin beatable? Yes, but it would take a boxing savant to do it. One of the true greats. Either someone as tough and powerful as Golovkin is (possibly Hagler), or someone with incredible athletic ability and a great chin (Sugar Ray Leonard, perhaps). Calzaghe likely beats Golovkin, but he's at 168.

    Golovkin is an all-time great fighter. He's not Ottke, he's not Michalczewski, he's not any other guy who went and hid in Europe.

    He really is (or, was) that good. And anyone who can't see it just doesn't understand the sport.

    Atlas scoring GGG-Canelo 1 as 118-110 GGG just about says everything, I think. After all he has said about Golovkin over the years, even he knew the truth.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    :thinking: Da hell with all these great posts all of a sudden? ^
     
  12. NewBoxingOrder

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    Rock motivated me!

    :)
     
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  13. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Golovkin does take more punches than a Canelo but you have to give Golovkin credit as well. When he wants to defend, he puts a glove up and steps out of danger. Golovkin has that come forward style, thats what people love.
     
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  14. MIW

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    well know for sure if he ever fights Lemiux again.

    I do know that hes been getting hit more recently, but it will take some time before that starts to wear him down. Maybe 4 years.

    His stamina aint going nowhere, his power aint going nowhere. That jab aint going nowhere. His chin aint going nowhere.

    thats all he needs. He don't need no speed, he don't need no knockouts.
     
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  15. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’ll scream it from the rooftops for you lol
     
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