Who do you rank higher: Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Flo_Raiden, Sep 21, 2017.



Greater fighter

  1. Andre Ward

    112 vote(s)
    34.9%
  2. Joe Calzaghe

    214 vote(s)
    66.7%
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  1. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe superstar is the epitome of what an ALPHA MALE looks like.....something @ HerolGee will never be.
     
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  2. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a close fight especially with the KD. Bhop started off like vintage Bhop but lost most of the middle and late rounds. It wouldn't have been a robbery if some had to for Bhop...Joe was frustrated especially early due to some of the dirty tactics he had to deal with from Hopkins. Joe eventually acclimated to Bhop and took over, but it was still a close fight at the end of the day. I can agree there were elements of "vintage hopkins" in that fight. A lot of holding, spinning, straight rights, hitting behind the head but slick enough to get away with most of the fouls.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    I don't think he had many things stacked against him when he fought Bernard.

    Adalaide Byrd's card for GG-Canelo was a disgrace. But a lot of people had Bernard beating Joe based upon landing the cleaner, more effective shots. It was really a contest of quality vs quantity. I know that Enzo Calzaghe was extremely worried.

    I had the fight as a draw, but I've only seen it the one time.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Your reasons don't stack up.

    You keep saying it was a quality win.

    Quality how?

    How was beating a shot version of Roy quality, after he'd said he Roy was shot and he had been for 4 years?

    You're just arguing for the sake of it.

    Plenty of pointless fights gets made. And that's because boxing is a ruthless business. Yes, there was an interest. Yes, there was money to be made. But to knowledgeable fans, it was pointless.

    How could Roy have perceived it as a cherry pick?

    Again, Joe personally contacted Roy to make the fight, after he'd dismissed him live on Setanta Sports.

    It wasn't a quality win, it wasn't noteworthy, and it wasn't memorable. It was a guy fighting a faded legend, a faded legend who he would never have fought when he was anywhere near his best.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    Joe was getting on. But he was still a top level fighter, coming off of 2 of the best wins of his career. Whereas Roy hadn't had a top level win for 5 years, and he was coming off of a win over a 172 pound Tito who hadn't fought for 3 years.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    No chance.
     
  7. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    joe's best win against a prime fighter was mikkel Kessler
    ward beat kovalev twice in his prime

    end of story, and not even close
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    It didn't have to be that way though.

    He could have been known if he'd have gone to the U.S. and moved up to LHW much earlier.
     
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  9. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe was a special fighter. I hate that he retired before I really appreciated his talents.
     
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  10. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    he never proved he was special
    he allowed frank warren to run his career which is why he never faced the best fighters of his era in their prime
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    You'd have Joe beating Godzilla on workrate, so it's hardly surprising.
     
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    On the thread titled: "Andre Ward at SMW" you have dismissed his wins over Kessler and Froch etc, yet here you are hyping Joe's wins over the likes of: Sheika, Mkrtchyan and Starie etc.

    What a joker you are.

    Joe didn't really achieve more than Andre, he just had more fights.
     
  13. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I have watched enough footage of Calzaghe to believe he was a great fighter. Trust me I wanted to hate him for a long time
     
  14. Loudon

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    Completely different circumstances.
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    How can it not be close?

    Joe has the numbers in his favour, but other than that, it's a hard question to answer.