Carl Williams outjabbed Holmes in their fight. Of course Williams was 10 years younger, was taller and had a longer reach.
I think Ali`s jab was a shade quicker than Holmes. If were going prime for prime. I`m referring to the Ali from the `60s. Holmes jab may have been slightly harder but it`s marginal.
lol! Ali threw his Jab from his waist ,a proper jab is thrown from your chin in a straight line like bullet while pushing off the back leg which makes it cover distance faster and gives it more accuracy on the target,and thats why Alis jab wasnt always accurate because he didnt do that,he bounced around moving while FLICKING his jab. . Your SUPPOSED to throw the jab leaning into it with thrusting the shoulder behind it ( you wouldnt know that) ...but have fun arguing with what most on here know and that's Holmes jab was better than Ali's bc of the reasons i posted! your practically the least informed on here and your posts prove that time and time again which is hilarious considering you claim to have done this and that have lunch with Ali...etc...etc...lmao
Williams had a better jab than Ali too...im not sure who out jabbed who but he did not win that fight which tells me he didnt out jab holmes.
Holmes jab was piston like. Constant , accurate and precision like. It was used as a offensive and defensive weapon . Ali jab was like lightning fast and was used to set up right crosses , combinations and flurries. On this basis Holmes jab was superior on that it was his main weapon and Ali stood out in some many categories and if judged on all round stats Ali would rate higher.
Again in every category except power Alis jab was superior. It really is not debatable. Ali's jab was quicker than SRR jab and it had the capability to cut opponents to ribbons. Holmes dropped his jab every time he threw it then offering opponents wide openings for right hands. Everyone knew this back at that time. Thus every time Holmes was knocked down was from right hands. In his prime Ali's jab was so quick opponents had difficulty slipping it. Ali was a 212 pound hwt with a jab thrown at middleweight, ATG middleweight, speed.
None of the knockdowns Holmes suffered were from the result of him jabbing, though. Shavers caught him as he lunged in with a sloppy right uppercut. Snipes and Tyson both dropped him when he wasn't throwing and stood square/directly infront of them. With how reliant he was on jabbing, his jab couldn't have been as easy to come over as is being said. He managed to have 75 fights, many against guys with big right hand power, and he was only down in 4 of them. Not exactly the mark of a man who is consistently being tagged hard over his jab.
He dropped his jab every time he threw it. Keeping his jab low without head movement caused all of the kds against him.
If only you or Max Schmelling were around a couple of years prior to Spinks history would indeed be turned upside down and Holmes and his limp droopy jab would not even be a point of conversation. Good observations though
EVERYONE knew Holmes dropped his jab. Getting a fighter skilled enough to capitalize upon it is another story.
No it didn't. None of his knockdowns were from a person countering his jab or him dropping his jab. The Shavers knockdown was due to coming in with a sloppy uppercut from the outside. Snipes and Tyson caught him being stationary and squared up infront of them. None of those knockdowns happened from someone coming over his jab.
That isn't what I was disputing. I was disputing your correlation to the times he was knocked down and him dropping his hand after jabbing.
Suggest you watch round seven from his second bout with Shavers. Count the jabs that Holmes brings back to his waist, count the right hands Shavers throws over that jab preceding the knockdown. The right hand Shavers lands was due to Holmes holding his left very low. Again those within the sport at that time were very aware of Holmes issue of dropping that jab.
