The standard of Women boxers in these islands....

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  1. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    For me Katie Taylor is streets ahead of the rest - Natasha Jonas is way behind Katie IMO, and the rest dont rate at all IMO...
     
  2. CasualFan

    CasualFan Active Member Full Member

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    So the standard is **** then.
     
  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm surprised because there are quite a few women where I live who are savages, well to be honest most of them are.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Could any of the above females beat lower ranking males?
     
  5. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Well allegedly Katie used to regularly beat up Frankie Gavin in sparring....:)
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Where the hell do you live?!
     
  7. wayne189

    wayne189 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could any of the above females beat lower ranking males?

    Doubt they would beat some mug from the pub tbh and def not a male boxer. Even a journeyman straweight would batter women’s heavy champ.
     
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  8. N17

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    I'm from North London.
     
  9. darkrobot

    darkrobot New Member Full Member

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    Katie Taylor is certainly quality, but she has been boxing- or at least training- since she could walk as her dad taught her. So hardly suprising that she's good at it. The only other extremely high profile female boxer I'm aware of "in these islands" is Nicola Adams. Who I believe started training at the age of 12 and had enormous amounts of support from her coaches and family.

    Most female boxers take up the sport in their 20s or 30s, maybe late teens if they are lucky. This makes it far more difficult to develop the necessary skillset, just like taking up most things at a later age (compared to childhood/ early teens) does. Plus they usually don't have anywhere near the amount of support and encouragement as the aforementioned did.

    Coincidence? When I was a child, and perhaps to an extent still today, any girl who expressed an interest in boxing was either ridiculed or given a load of scaremongering tosh (you'll get a broken nose and your teeth smashed in etc...) Both of which happen rarely to never.

    If I had daughters I would absolutely encourage them to take up some form of practical fighting (ideally competing, at the very least sparring) if only for self defence in case of attack. You may not be able to stand toe to toe and trade with an average man, but if you're quick enough and can throw a couple of decent punches then run very fast it could save your life. (This isn't hypothetical by the way- I know a couple of girls and women who have experienced exactly this type of scenario). Those precious seconds bought by a few well thrown punches allowed them to escape relatively unscathed. Probably saving them from an attack that would have changed the course of their young lives forever. Not to mention that boxing gave them the confidence and physical ability to react quickly enough to the situation in the first place rather than panic.

    I think there are sadly still a lot of men who like to keep women as vulnerable as possible. Sometimes they talk to me, and I find their viewpoints frightening.

    Back to boxing as a sport- there is still a distinct vibe of "women, you're not welcome"- not at the grass roots gyms which are usually great, but amongst the higher levels and fans of the sport. Most of whom are probably slagging them off while sitting on their sofas surrounded by pizza boxes and special brew.

    This doesn't apply to everyone of course- I've known many coaches and members of the general public who are incredibly supportive of female boxing. But there are still plenty who sneer, usually despite never having achieved anything remotely worthwhile in the sport themselves.

    This may be different in the future, but it takes decades- generations even- to effect real change. Some of the comments on these threads makes me wonder what the posters' motives are. If you don't like women's boxing, it's hardly difficult to avoid. So why worry? Just get on with your own life and let everyone else get on with theirs.
     
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  10. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    So what? What's your point? Since they don't compete against men...even make pub mugs....
     
  11. Guy Nicho

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    There Is a massive massive push on women's boxing in the amateurs at the moment. We have a few and standard isn't as good as male but slowly improving. I have to say for a TV fight last nights showing was dreadful, this allows those that are anti women's boxing to jump straight on, the problem I've noticed is in the pro's with it being relatively new you don't have journey-women who are good at surviving
     
  12. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good post and I agree mostly

    I've coached women boxing and they usually pick up movement and some technical things faster than men in most cases. Men have to get over that hit as hard as i can with no technique thing in the beginning stage. Women seem to bypass that .

    Strange that you think broken noses and lost teeth are not going to happen . That's not true. Probably the most common injuries in boxing . I've suffered both even as an amateur
     
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  13. darkrobot

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    I really don't mean any offence by this Greg, (genuinely), of course they are possible, but in my experience they are both rare, especially if you have been taught well from a defensive point of view (again this comes back to being taught decent skills from as young as possible) and wear an adequate gumshield. How many young girls will be able to hit with the enough force to do that? And how does it compare with the risks I mentioned in my earlier post about have a greater chance of escaping from an attacker (hopefully by that time as an adult) who will likely do much much worse?

    Although i did once knock out half of one of my front teeth- but that was nothing to do with boxing- more to being drunk and faceplanting! :dunno I got over it pretty quickly (although people did cross the street to avoid me til I got it fixed...)

    Thanks for you general support though- it is much appreciated. This country needs more coaches like you. :ARMS1:
     
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  14. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m about 15 stone and 6ft, fairly certain Katie Taylor could flatten me...and I’m wellard
     
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  15. wayne189

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    Someone not me asked would any of those women beat a male boxer so I gave my answer