[Clip] Rocky Marciano non stop pressure power punching on Lee Savold

Not everyone will agree with me. You obviously don't have to, and I'm fine with that.

 

Boxing moves don't have to be novel to be impressive.
You missed the point.

 

Right.
If Roy Jones, or Willie Pep did the same exact move, the knee jerk reaction would be to say "Damn, Nice!"
When Rocky does the identical move, the knee jerk reaction is to go "Ugh!, well I guess it worked!"

Why?
Bad production and story telling design from the past several decades that reinforce half baked ideas.
Combined with a data set probably 5% as rich as what the average person has access to today, resulting in very canned, overly simplified story telling.

Search "Murat Gassiev Slow" on Google.
Not one single result him being a slow fighter.

But Rockys slow?
Think about it.

 

Okay but think about it.
Can we get real for a sec?

Those traits will get someone knocked out in the gym.

You simply cannot compete at the highest level of the sport without a highy refined style with it's own set of skills, maneuvers, and specialties. The question is what were Rockys? And if the answer is some Bert Sugar garbo, then we're going to continue to ignore the truth, which is that there was real depth in Rockys boxing ability.

The traits you described are excellent to have ALONG with some actual boxing ability. Are we going to continue to pretend that Rocky had none? Even though he is obviously continuously moving his head, feinting, changing gears, moving different directions, etc? He didn't just have boxing ability, he actively displayed it. And we can't get a group of aficionados to agree on that, despite the tremendous wealth of data available to us right now.

 

That's sort of my entire premise.
Except, instead of using vague phrases like "In the hands of a good trainer," I'm actually showing (or attempting to show) the actual skills having a good trainer would allow you to have.

Chalking him up to a relentless aggressive fighter is incomplete.
Compensating for it by saying "he had a good trainer" is lazy, at least compared to what I'm trying to do by going into the weeds, and picking specific examples that illustrate his skills.

One basically gets to justify his success, while maintain this image of him as an unskilled try-hard with a mindless punch.

What does a good trainer mean?
Does it mean he was able to fix fights?
Probably not, right?
I take it to mean that a good trainer helped him become a better boxer.
So where do we see Rocky being a good boxer?

As far as I'm concerned, attempts at showing examples on this forum are met with harsh ridicule.

I do understand your point, that some of Rockys qualities are long term investments, and cannot be captured succinctly in a gif. I totally agree. But I am doing something different than that. I am showing that Rocky was fluid, and often displayed far more skill than given credit for.

I do appreciate your input and your perspective.

 

Then it would've been a really nice move.
If Butterban danced like Ali, it would have been impressive too.

Throwing an accurate overhand timed perfectly to counter on top of a jab is a nice move.
Especially if you slipped the jab, moved to safety right after, did so sharply, in one smooth motion.
It is highlight worthy, especially by todays standards.

 

That was a basic right hand over the jab while Brandon just stands in front of him.
Rocky slips the jab, and lands a power overhand right while moving with the momentum of the punch. It's a much nicer and more complete move.

And I'm posting this example not to show his skills at their finest.
But moreso to show that they even exist at all.