Well its just over 4 years since Loma..

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  1. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Salido loss doe
     
  2. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Now they are attempting to advance the bad opposition narrative. LOL

    What happened to his bad skin, lack of power and inability to deal with pressure fighters? Just throw it all out there and hope something sticks.
     
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  3. Kevin Willis

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    What others have been crucified for stronger opponent selection???
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol Loma only moved up to 130 because he was being ducked, avoided, or unification match ups at 126 weren't going to get made. He weighed 1lb-1½lbs less for 3 of his last 5 fights at 130 (possibly 4 as the weights weren't announced for one of them) than he did in against Gary Russell and Gamaliar Rodriguez down at 126 and that was just 1lb more than he weighed for Salido in his 2rd pro fight.

    At 130

    Loma said he was 137 for Rigo which is what he weighed for Walters and Martinez up at 130 and like I said is less then he weighed or just 1lb more than he was for half his fights at 126.

    Loma 139 - Sosa 142

    https://s11.postimg.org/lvyikw0ib/loma_sosa.png

    Loma 137 - Walters 136

    https://s11.postimg.org/h7i35h283/loma_vs_walters.png

    Loma 137 - Martinez 144

    http://i.imgur.com/Tc49cRs.jpg

    All at 126

    Loma 134 - Koasicha 133

    https://postimg.org/image/uvsczfadh/

    Loma 138 - Rodriguez 132

    https://postimg.org/image/jtfb8z57r/

    Loma 138½ - Russell 138

    http://i.imgur.com/jL3x79B.jpg

    Loma 136 - Salido 147

    http://i.imgur.com/O4IjhiD.jpg

    Loma 132 - Piriyapinyo 137

    https://s10.postimg.org/wgr66qr2x/loma_piri.png

    Loma 129 - Ramirez 135

    http://i.imgur.com/HX6XfGx.jpg

    Marriaga, who said he felt stronger up at 130, weighed 135 for the Nicholas Walters fight down at 126. That's just 2lbs less than what Loma weighed for at least 3 of his last 5 fights all of which were up at 130. 2 ******* pounds lol. Marriaga took Oscar Valdez to hell and back and it was a very close fight. Marriaga gave Walters a tough fight too despite the fact that Walters held, wait for it...a 10lb weight advantage over him lol
     
  5. Serge

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    Time-stamped

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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Bet on Loma next time haters lol
     
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  7. navigator

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    Much higher standards were expected of our last three P4P Picassos (not counting Gonzalez, who was something of a stopgap). Ward continues to be dogged for not sticking around to prove whatever it is people want him to prove against unproven fighters like Gvozdyk and Bivol.
     
  8. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Yeah let's just ignore that Lomachenko wanted that fight way before Walters was "inactive" but the Jamaican first priced himself out, asked for $1 million and turned down a career-high $550,000. Let's ignore that the Rigondeaux - Lomachenko fight could have been made 2 years ago at 126, but Rigondeaux came up with all sorts of diva demands which made it impossible. But of course it was all Lomachenko's fault and the sneaky Ukrainian waited for these fighters to get inactive or old.
     
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  9. navigator

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    Kell Brook said the same stuff. Every fighter enjoys not having to cut the extra pounds and says they feel good before they step in the ring. But, until we see evidence to the contrary, featherweight is his optimum fighting weight. Loma was always a good-sized feather who could go up and make a solid 130 specimen (and with the kind of physical talent that can transcend weight classes, besides).


    Regardless, they didn't fight at those times, so it's difficult to award that credit. Better to have sought more robust opposition than little old Rigo. Or at least start seeking it now.
     
  10. Serge

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    And again, Loma fought Rigoblin because the Cuban waged a protracted Twitter campaign accusing him of ducking him. Tweet after tweet, funny memes etc. saying Loma was running scared. And Rigoblin was aided in this by the entire LDBC who were calling Loma a chicken, accusing him of ducking Rio, and most of whom were adamant that Rigoblin was going to ''expose that hype'', ''break his face,'' ''school him,'' and ''KHTFO.'' And this went on for months and months.

    This kind of ****

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  11. Kevin Willis

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    LOOOL @ the pedantic musings of the Navigaytor{sic}
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He weighed 2lbs less when he fought Walters at 126 (who he gave a tough fight despite the fact he was outweighed by 10lbs) than Loma did for at least 3 of his last 5 fights all of which were up at 130. And chances are he might have put on a few pounds when he moved up for that fight. Stop hating lol

    Marriaga 135 - Walters 145 at 126.

    Loma 137 for at least 3 of his last 5 fights at 130.
     
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  13. radupidu

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    Yes Serge, these mofos are trying to change the story now. Loma wasnt gunnin to fight lil old Rigo, it was Rigo that wanted to derail Arum again and beat Loma. And Loma like a real champ gave Rigo a payday and a schooling that will stick with him forever.
     
  14. Serge

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    Yes lol. Just listen to what the big guy says during the first 3 minutes of the video. It sums up the entire LDBC narrative they were pushing

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    And this too lol

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  15. navigator

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    How much they rehydrate to isn't the gauge, it's where they've been proven to give optimum performance. Some fighters employ weight-bullying strategies, being less effective only a few pounds north. For others, like Marriaga in this particular case, it's a matter of making sure that the extra 4lb on the scale is good, functional weight and testing it out before they take on the biggest challenge of their career. The short notice Marriaga received to box Loma precluded any chance of him being thoroughly prepared, there's no way it couldn't have been a half-assed camp.

    And that's before we even address that Marriaga was coming off a loss. He performed well against Valdez, but the fight was gruelling - it's not unreasonable to observe that a fighter of Marriaga's modest pedigree might be in a better place to challenge a champion again after having had chance to put his growing experience into practice and gain some momentum back.

    In Walters, Marriaga and even Rigo, we've had three guys who pretty much came for the paycheck. Lomachenko's fans have boisterously celebrated the fact that three out of the last four guys have readily quit on him around the halfway stage, without even considering what it might corroborate about the state of the opposition or the circumstances they were fighting in.

    I'm not interested in the juvenilia. Speaking of which;


    Goofy videos made by basement-dwelling palookas have nothing to bear on the credit I should award him for the win. I don't even watch that stuff.


    I've picked Loma in every one of his pro fights except his second. I don't expect any congratulations for that, however, because they were almost all ridiculously easy fights to call, given the compounds of stylistic matchups and favorable circumstances involved.

    Russell is a much better win than the others that came after, though. Why? Undefeated, obviously talented, obviously a handy kid, obviously came to fight, in his prime, and has emphatically taken at least one notable scalp since losing to Loma. Spot the difference. If I was 'hating', I wouldn't award that credit where it's due.
     
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