Kelly Pavlik is a machine!

I'm pretty sure I saw a post of yours having Taylor ahead by 3 points. Could have been a typo on your behalf but it also could be my mistake. I do remember thinking WTF when I saw it a couple weeks ago though, but I didn't say anything. I'll try and give it a search when the search function comes back on later tonight.

Obviously you think Pavlik won the fight which is cool, because he did quite clearly imo.

 

I'm not sure that Calzaghe can take his shots but to outright dismiss his chances of being able to is what I find laughable. He has never been close to being knocked out and has fought some big punchers.

Calzaghe might have looked amatuerish against Hopkins and Hopkins may be a hundred years old, but he is still about twice as cagey as what Kelly Pavlik is. Just because Calzaghe struggled with Hopkins, it doesn't mean he will against Pavlik. They have two totally different styles. Hopkins is a counter punching spoiler, and Calzaghe traditionally has had problems the more defensive guys have been. Guys that have come after him, which Pavlik will, have been made to look silly.

 

Suzie Q, I don't see the comparisons to Monzon aside from their physique IMHO. I see a bit more Arguello & Little Red Lopez in Pavlik. The right hands from HELL.

Pavlik's "lack" of hand & foot speed will never make him a defensive wizard, but he blocks & parries pretty well. He gets hit, but he seems to take it well-he's willing to take one to get his own in. Arguello fought this way that was more refined, albeit with more head movement.

Likable guy-he carries himself well in there, & he can be the next big thing in a division that has a huge history.

 

Also, he seems to be a pretty effective body puncher when he chooses to do so. If he concentrates there a bit more than he has, his offensive arsenal would be very impressive.

 

I think Kessler, although not as big a puncher or as evently two handed, is a pretty good puncher, who is faster than Pavlik and just as strong and durable. I was very impressed with how Calzaghe handled him.

It's good that you think highly of Pavlik, but it's pretty obvious that you're jumping the gun with him. He has beaten Jermain Taylor, who although a good fighter, is nothing special and other than that, he still has to prove quite a bit to justify the hype you're heaping on him.

I think Taylor was beaten by Winky Wright and came within a point of losing to Cory Spinks, and quite frankly he looked downright horrible against Ouma. He had two outright stinkfests with Hopkins which could have gone either way and which featured Hopkins fighting the worst fights of his career imo.

Taylor is a flashy fighter that lacks every intangible needed to be great. I understand the interest he received because of his flashiness, but let's not go overboard about what it means to defeat Jermain. he has shown in his last handful of fights that he is not the elite fighter everyone thought he would be.

 

Not trying to be a pedantic **** or anything Q, but just showing where I got the impression that you had Taylor winning the fight from. I wasn't making a false accusation to troll on you or anything:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64489

:good

 

Why is this in Classic it should be in General

 

You must have a photographic memory SS, that is impressive attention to detail!

 

Nah, not really mate, I just think the weirdness of the score left a bit of lasting impression on me.

 

The truth can be funny sometimes.

 

I don't see why Calzaghe beating Pavlik is laughable.


Kessler is pretty similar to Pavlik in that he is robotic, tall, punches hard, strong jaw, technically adept..... and he lost about 8-4 to Calzaghe. Now i do think Calzaghe looked a lot worse against Hopkins; maybe it was Hopkins' ugly style, but i think his age is catching up with him. Remember that he is a swarmer-boxer at 36.

For that reason, i think Pavlik might beat Calzaghe now, but a few years ago, i would've picked the Welshman.




Something else, as a non-American i don't have HBO, Showtime etc so i usually only get to watch fights the day after. Now it was obviously not a big surprise that Pavlik won, but i limited my ESB visit purposely to the classic section only to see a "Pavlik is a beast"-thread. I don't mind discussing modern boxing here, but i would appreciate it if you could name the title "About Pavlik's fight yesterday" or something. :thumbsup

 

Some of my thoughts on Pavlik. He looked very good last night but Lockett is average, even with his undeserved #1 ranking. Pavlik is a beast in the ring. I agree with all thats been said-two fisted power, goes to the body, size, calmness, solid defense. There's a lot to like about Pavlik. I do think he is somewhat predictable, his handspeed isn't world class, and I'm not totally sold on his chin. His chin looks good, I just can't say it won't someday let him down yet.

Right now I'd take Calzaghe over Pavlilk. Handspeed, workrate, and experience would all lead to a Calzaghe victory. It's a close fight but I would lean toward Joe. I think it would be wise to put the Calzaghe fight off for a bit. Maybe let Joe get a little older and a little slower. Pavlik still has a few big options I'd like to see him deal with at 160. Abraham is a big fight I'd really like to see and there's still Winky Wright hanging around. Pavlik will eventually move up but not so fast, there's still work to be done.