would kessler beat pavlik convincingly?

The only guy Kessler has not beat VERY convincingly, was Calzaghe obviously...

I struggle to think of a former FW or a bum he has beaten unconvincingly..

 

Pavlik may get Kessler to go on the retreat as Kessler does do this quite often, but he wont get himself into that position enough to win enough rounds, and I highly doubt he'd KO Kessler because of his so called superior foot work.

Kessler also has a great jab, and uses it probably better than Pavlik uses his. He's also great at keeping his opponents at distance.

As for footwork, well, Kessler will make Pavlik look like he's boxing with two left feet.

 

zuniga gave pavlik a hard fight granted.

all fighters have poor fights , do not implement gameplans and have harder than expected fights in there careers.

not a fighter who has not had this happen to them.

zuniga happened to be the fighter up to now in pavliks case.

but i does not make zuniga elite class or even world class, justa good trialhorse.

daniel santos outboxed zuniga and then in turn santos was easily outboxed by dzindurek.

zuniga had a draw and close fight with zertuxche a very small but game trier

fight with pavlik where he put up a good show.

fight with oganov where he wore organov down and dropped him in about the 8th or 9th.

but i fail to see where he has suddenly become this hard fight for calzaghe

if pavlik had just moved side to side/moved his head a little and boxed and moved using his jab. right hand/take a walk instead of just standing there and going back on rails he would have won easier.

if pavlik v zuniga 2 took place , pavlik would box a smarter more conservative fight and win easy.

as to calzaghe v zuniga, IMO

calzaghe could box from the outside/inside/go to war/ or anyone of his hybrid style and still win, he is simply in another class and the fight would be conmsiderd a mismatch by the public.

come to think of it it could happen, just the type of opponent warren likes.

 

So Kessler might win a dance contest....oddly from what I've seen of Kessler he moves ok. thats it, and when confronted with pressure he's actually very stationary, and upright=an easy target

 

I'll take Pavlik by KO:good No way in hell Kesslers trades bombs with Kelly in his euro robo 1,2 style:nono Pavlik eats it comes back and slumps him:yep

Certainly a good fight. Hope it hapens regardless of a potential Calzaghe vs Pavlik Winner. Given the title choices? Obvious bias involved but the world revolves. I respect Calzaghe, Pavlik, and Kessler. Yet its clear who the REAL respective Champions are. Their potential meeting is like a CORONATION rarely seen. The best from 160-175:happy
Thats and meaningingful at the same time:thumbsup

 

also Kessler if anything has a tendency to go straight back to the ropes before moving laterally

 

Against Calzaghe he was more willing to get on the inside at times, but usually he doesn't like to go there and mix it up.

He simply hasn't needed to before then, because his jab has always done enough for him thus making him better suited to fighting at distance. But this wasn't the case against Calzaghe. Calzaghe was getting the better of him at distance, so Kessler needed to try and get in there at times.

As for him being an easy target to hit, you've totally lost me there.

 

Zuniga is developing very well and has great natural ability, great sense of timing and distance, and he has power

 

he also has average handspeed/slow feet/loops his punches wide /does not use his jab/poor head and upperbody movement.

he likes opponents to stand right in front of him and have a brawl.

take him out of that gameplan and he struggles.

i should have added, it is that style that is calzaghe`s favourite opponent.

 

How so? He's very upright with a fair amount of body movement but not much.....however it also depends on the type of fight Kessler fights, when confronted with volume and accurate punching he goes into a defensive mode which is hardly as good as his offensive style(going straight back, not much movement at all, more importantly he tends to wait forever)

 

andrade let his hands go non stop throwing a huge ammount of punches 900 plus , kessler still threw about 800 plus in that fight

you underate just how much calzaghe moves his head/feet /upperbody.

thats why kesslers punch count was down, because he was swinging and a missing.

pavlik fights nothing like calzaghe from the outside, so its not comparible.

bigfgest factor is pavlik is orthodox and calzaghe being a southpoaw meant it is nigh impossible for kessler to establish a jab.

not going to be the case v pavlik or vica versa.

sorry pecks i know you will answer the same.

 

I think I'll just let it be. At least until/if the fight happens.

 

you got a point there. since kessler "ducked" miranda, miranda MUST be better than kessler

if pavlik takes out miranda in 5

well, then it only stands to reason

that

pavlik takes out kessler within 5 rounds

 

looking at it from both sides it's also incredible that people had the nerve to give JC **** for taking on Manfredo when Pavlik takes on the likes of Lockett. Seems to be a double standard here, where's all the threads screaming about why Pavlik was fighting a total can that shouldn't have been there in the first place?

As an American it's embarrassing to be honest, just makes us look stupid. Guaranteed that had Pavlik been from Europe he'd be getting a load of abuse as an overhyped bum fighting cans and we'd have about 20 threads a day talking about how he's soon to be exposed.

 

I wasn't saying you were pulling something out of your ass. Just that people get bashed here for fighter a vs b vs c more than the get ripped for 'pull out of ass' opinions.