Could a 19th century fighter realistically have beaten prime Tyson or Anthony Joshua

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Could guys like Jim Corbett, Jim Jefferies, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sailor Tom Sharkey, Joe Jeanette, Sam Langford, Gunboat Smith etc realistically have a chance to beat a 1988 Mike Tyson or a 2017 Anthony Joshua? Or would Tyson and Joshua be too advanced for them?
     
  2. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Joshua, yes. Tyson, no.
     
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  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Fighters used to fight 20+ rounds, today fighters pass out on their own after 6 rounds.
     
  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Barring a lucky punch? No. At best some of these guys would have a 5-10% chance against AJ. Practically none against a prime Tyson.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, they wouldn't even be heavyweights in this era, mostly light heavies and the odd cruiser weight. They were technically inferior too, boxing has moved on and evolved beyond them technically as well as physically.
     
  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah but that assumes the fight makes it that long. If AJ was fighting Jim Corbett and somehow they ended up in round 16, then maybe that'd be relevant. But if Corbett didn't make it past the 3rd, it wouldn't matter.
     
  7. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    HW are just so much bigger nowadays that i just cant see a turn of the century fighter even being competitive. Also the skill level is far beyond anything theyd be able to deal with. The caveat is do you just pluck them out of their time period and put them in a fight? Of do you give them a year or two to use modern day training methods? Imho i believe a guy like Robinson would beat a lot of guys if you just threw him in the ring straight up but if you gave that guy a year or two to train with todays advancement he problably smashes everyone under LHW. That guy was incredible. the scary thing is most of the footage we have isnt prime.
     
  8. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    They used to stand and fight like kangaroos. Try doing that in front of Mike Tyson and see how many seconds you last. If they make it past the 1st round it's a miracle.
     
  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua struggled to land anything on gate keeper Takam so he wouldn't get near a prime Jack Johnson
     
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  10. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LOL idiot.
     
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  11. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    You know nothing about Johnson, do you IDIOT?
     
  12. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If I do or I don't it's irrelevant. What makes you an idiot is your statement about Joshua landing on Takam... It was an idiotic post....
     
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  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Robinson even though he would be considered an "old time" fighter had a more modern style or a style more suited for modern times. And he'd be fighting men more or less his own size. The thing with heavies is that since it's an indefinite weight class, someone who was a 180 pound heavy in 1900 would be fighting a 250 pound Anthony Joshua in 2018, 118 years later. Not that they didn't have 250 pound super heavies back then who were also physically strong for a man that size, but those 250 pound super heavies back then didn't have the skill level of a top tier prime super heavy today like AJ. Or a 218 pound heavy like a prime Tyson.

    As far as the sport evolving, to me, it's a yes and no kind of answer. Remember, fighters like Tyson or AJ don't represent the run of the mill modern day heavy. A young Tyson or an Anthony Joshua are diamonds in the rough, one of a kind. The cannon fodder that AJ and Tyson were fed on their way up probably could be taken by many old time under 200 pound heavies. Even some of the top contenders AJ beat like Eric Molina.
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    Is it a given that Molina would beat 197 pound Jack Sharkey? I don't think so. In fact, many would favor Sharkey.
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    Carnera was built much like a modern day heavy as far as muscle mass and build are concerned. Roy Jones at 193 pounds proved that a modern day 200+ pound heavy could be taken by an old time under 200 pound heavy when he defeated 225 pound John Ruiz, who is more representative of the average modern day heavy than a Tyson or Joshua.

    So I'll say that perhaps your top tier heavy's like prime Tyson or AJ have advanced to the point where it would be virtually impossible for most under 200 pound heavies to beat them, but your Ruiz level modern day heavies could still be taken by under 200 lb heavies. That's my take on it.
     
  15. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Also, the fighters back then were extremely experienced and masters of their skill set, which is rarely nowdays. Plenty of guys from the 19th and early 20th century would embarrass Joshua, who is still far from a fully developed fighter.

    Also, as much as I like Tyson in his prime even he wouldn't go undefeated in the 19th century or early 20th century. He would beat most fighters back then, but he'd still have a couple of losses.