Groves Eubank post fight thoughts

at 28 he needs someone to do a miracle and give him a crash course in mastering the basics, like apollo creed did for rocky in part 3.

 

I remember hearing something about an elbow problem. Didn't realize it means he's literally physically unable to throw straight punches with it though.

 

I still can't believe how easily Groves beat Eubank..................

 

He won't do it ,he is too arrogant, like his Father.

 

I got a ban for RACISM! It really is gone too far. You can be sure that The admins with their bans have already driven many good decent posters away....then on the other hand there is a guy with a giant swastika plastered over the red map of Europe! What could Juergen have said that was worse than that?? Insane stuff.

 

Yeh, I got banned for using a very slightly naughty word. First time I've posted since because it's a joke. Real shame as this sight has got back to having good posters like it used to. We seem to be through that weird few years where people were just offering each other out, going on about ALTs and other childish rubbish. Even farmboxer makes sense these days and is laying off the acid! I genuinely don't understand what the "admin" team are trying to achieve, why is only language suitable for a five year old allowed? It's like the BBC in the 1950s

 

I agree that Jr was always going to be up against it fighting Groves. I've said it all along. Giving away weight, experience along with the right hand problems are not a good mix.

But let's not pretend that, as a full-time professional boxer, there aren't glaring holes in his game. Ronny Davies looks like he is being marginalised in all the interviews and in Jr's corner between rounds, and Jr's performances all but confirm it. Surely what you watched on Saturday (or in any Jr fights) didn't look like a boxer executing the plan of, in your own words, a trainer who has 'had more world title fights than all these proper trainers put together'.

He says he's a fighter mainly doing his own thing, Sr and Ronny say he's mainly doing his own thing, and in the ring he looks like he's mainly doing his own thing. If he's serious about reaching his highest potential he needs to drop down to MW and start listening to a top trainer. If he just wants to make a bit of cash and some cool snapchat videos, then he can stay in the weaker SMW division and get back to cherry-picking.

 

I wouldn't be so sure. In the General Forum, Farmboxer still goes on these weird esoteric ramblings about Andre Ward

 

Fair post mate. It is a weird set up afterall. I m just not all that sure theirs another way for eubank without having that straight right hand. He's got inherint problems as well regardless of coach. Not everyone can be an elite world level fighter regardless of how hard they try.

I think Ronny and the dad bring a lot to the table that a lot of people don't realize...it,ll be a case of going with someone else...he,d improve aspects of his game but he,d also lose some aspects of his game as well. Ronny and the dad bring invaluable experience....they,ve seen it and bought the t-shirt....their not stupid people... Its just that some of that experience they bring...is too old school for the modern game.

It was Ronny's idea for Chris to move up to super middle. Hes been going on about it from before the billy Joe Saunders fight. As he doesn't believe "a fighter should be boiling themselves down"...he feels it helps them come in strong.

Its a massive mistake in this day and age. Its an example of Ronny being too old school for it.

They need to bring in modern thinkers...especially with the nutrition side of things. Their not far away from some success with eubank junior....they just made a massive mistake going to super middle to fight groves when the guys a middleweight. Look at what happened to Abraham going to supermiddle. Or Jamie cox. That was eubanks biggest problem on Saturday night. The weight. They all struggle to bridge that gap...even when they become too big for their previous weight. And eubank tried to do it without being too big for the weight.

Its become apparent eubanks struggling with boxers...but so did Carl froch. Boxers all have styles they struggle with. Doesnt mean they need to totally change their game.

Without a straight right hand. They just need to boil him down...come in huge at the weight...with his workrate/chin accumulation punches...relentlessness....he,ll get to most of them. He did get to billy Joe afterall.

It just won't work against groves at the higher weight. I m asking people to imagine fighting an opponent without a straight right....trying to get inside...or even fighting on the outside without it. Its a major disadvantage that no coach will have much success with. Its actually down to eubanks work ethnic that he's even competing at any level considering its a completely deliberating injury.

He's stiff as a board anyway. With slow foot speed. He actually has slow reflexes as well. That can only be improved so much. He,ll never be anything other than he is. Maybe improved a bit....with small tricks etc...but he won't ever be a terrific boxer. He,ll always struggle to get inside on slick boxers...a lot of people do.

His biggest problem is the straight right hand tho. Its making it a lot harder to get inside for him...even more so than the footwork. The footspeeds not helping him as well.

If someone makes eubank a boxer. Hell lose his effectiveness. They tried it going with booth. He got hit hard by Sullivan a lot that night. Ronny and the dad aren,t stupid enough to know that won,t happen if they do try and change him.

People are going on about eubank being hopeless at getting inside...yet hes got inside against everyone hes ever fought at middleweight. He is effective over a 12 round fight. He just wont be up at supermiddle...mainly because he doesn't have the strength up a supermiddle with them inside. Groves strength put him off fighting inside...just as much as his jab/footwork did.

 

what was the more impressive win over Jr, Groves or Saunders?

 

groves

 

It’s the jab and the absence of any feints rather than the straight right hand that’s a problem mate. He doesn’t seem to value the importance of them. It’s like he bypassed them lessons. Instead of using the jab to set up his work, he neglects it. Instead he loads up and swings for the fences. A quality boxer can see it coming a mile off & step out the way of it. Haye neglected the jab in the first couple of rounds against Bellew, and instead chose to load up and Bellew could make him miss. When he used the jab, he took over, controlled the fight and won the rounds up until his achilles went.
Junior needs to learn how to feint, and how to throw that jab to get himself in on the inside effectively. The current method of charging in just looks amateurish.

He’s an handful, entertaining to watch and despite all the flak he’s deservedly getting over his fundamentals...he’s still a nightmare for most 160-168’s.

 

For me the problem is twenty....you can't set up your work with the jab without the straight right hand even if it was just used as a threat. Currently he,d need to transition from his jab....to a hook or uppercut that ends up being from too far out because of it. Much the same problem he,s got just now without the jabbing.

Jabbing his way in with opponents knowing he can't throw a straight right...most likely ends with him getting countered with their straight right or jab. He,d need to transition from a jab to a right hook or uppercut atm. No one with half decent footwork will let him do that. They won't let him work his way in close enough with just the jab with no straight right hand threat....to transition to the hook or uppercut without him being too far out....and without getting countered.

Its why he neglects the jab. He jabbed against the turk...but it was on the backfoot moving away from him. Without that straight right he can't use it to get himself inside. Anyone decent would counter than jab on his way in knowing that. He,d still be back to square one....with throwing his hooks/uppercuts from too far out.

He neglects it because tactically it would be suicide for him. His lack of straight right hand dictates his style more than people realize.

He does throw the hooks and uppercuts from too far out ATM...without the jab...because its the least likely to get him caught on the counter. What people described the other night as bullrushing. Its pretty much his only option against guys with good footwork. No one can fight on the outside effectively without a straight right hand...straight away it makes him predictable...because he has to get inside. His options are limited too much without a straight right. Inside it causes its own problems. That straight right would let him get inside better. Jab, jab, straight right. From there he's now close enough to launch his uppercuts/hooks at the proper range. It would let him mix it up on the outside also.

Coming off the jab atm he has to move to a right uppercut or right hook regardless...to have any real success. Straight away its predictable. He can't mix it up with...fighting on the outside/inside. He pretty much has to get inside. No one decent will let him knowing he has to follow his jab up with a right hook/uppercut. They will clip him. Or back off and keep him on the outside.

He can't even go in with the jab/double jab...half step out...in with the straight right...then get to work with the hooks or uppercuts. That straight right is just as important as a jab. Or even the threat of it. True that everything should come off the jab...but without the straight right technically the games over.

Groves has got a great world class jab. He,d still most likely get walked down without the threat of his tremendous straight right hand hes got waiting for any one that trys it.

 

Just been listening to Bunce and Costello on BBC sport app. They're talking in the arena after the fight. I had to turn it off, they were talking absolute garbage. I've defended Bunce on here before but I can understand why people slag him off now. They must have had an agenda of some sort maybe they want to keep in Snr's good books or something because they say 115-113 was fair. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Imagine you had to listen on the radio and you get told lies like that.

 

Bunce is a clown.
How the hell he could claim the 115-113 card was acceptable is beyond a joke.
Groves bossed the fight.