Wilder's got exposed tonight.

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  1. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Wilder is in my top 10 now. But he was exposed badly in this fight. I went with the stats of Ortiz having an 84 inch reach. In real life, he had 76 inches.. Giving up 7 inches in reach and 4 in height. Despite this size handicap, he still managed to outbox Wilder until he got exhausted (old poor man Ortiz). Just think about that. I've always said that Wilder just living out of his natural advantages aka talents: Height, reach, speed, and power. He is a very simple boxing formula to understand. People liked to talk about Wilder having a great jab - where was it tonight? Or against Gerald Washington? Or even Arthur Szpilka...

    Wilder have a very sharp jab - against short or slow opposition.

    Wilder need to have his natural size advantages to be effective. He is a poor schooled boxer with great footspeed but ugly footwork. Wilder need his distance - his comfort zone to be effective. Ortiz took away the jab quite easy, and when Wilder threw the long looping right, he answered that call every time which made him cautious and uncertain of his abilities. Wilder looked lost and gunshy out there because of the medium sized 6''3' 76'' inch rangy Ortiz with a fast counter on a stationary position. It was the straight right that gave him the opportunity. Because of Ortiz stance and skills. The straight was his last chance of getting the momentum, this was what I suspected before the fight. Because against Szpilka it was just the same.

    Just imagine if Wilder had Joshua(82'') Klitschko(81'') Fury(85'')or Hughie Fury(83'') infront of him. Mobile and skilled boxers that takes the distance/comfort zone away from him.

    How many solid punches did Ortiz really land on Wilder before his power was discharged?

    Just imagine If it was Joshua, Parker, Povetkin, Fury etc, who had Wilder hurt in the fifth...


    Congratulations to Mr. Deontay Wilder - a KO waiting to happen.

    I also must say that it was appreciating to see a more modest Wilder at the stoppage. A such small detail made him much more likable in the eyes of the public.
     
  2. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    LMFAO.

    ROFL.

    The salt, it's just so real.

    I love it.

    You guys will be salty for at least another year. No more "glass chin" no more "never faced anyone"

    Eat that crow.
     
  3. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Did anybody else find it odd that wilder got 45 secs to recover after the bell rang? Either the guy can fight or he can’t. You check him during the round not 45 secs after.
    I will say.... what a ****ing punch wilder took. Guy has an iron jaw for sure.
     
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    Wilder got exposed as being better than many gave him credit for.
     
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    Great post and spot on. It's why Wlad dropped him multiple times during sparring. Wilder gets by on his physical advantages in height and reach.
    He looked awful tonight. Credit for hanging tough in the 7th round where the ref could of stopped it. He gave Wilder the benefit of the doubt (that many fighters don't receive)and Wilder pulled a rabbit out of his hat late against an old and tiring Ortiz.
    Ortiz deserves credit as he went into his opponents back yard and out boxed him for 9 rounds while giving up height, reach and battling Father Time in addition to Wilder.
     
  7. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    wins fight, gets exposed

    i wonder what happens if this guy loses ?
     
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    Tonight revealed no negatives on Wilder that weren't already out there from fights against lesser guys than Ortiz.

    All that was revealed is on the plus side. A lot of people didn't think Wilder had that kind of blood and guts in him.
     
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    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    One right hook opened him up and he ate a big left on the ropes after it. I think he only took it because he was going backwards at the time which lessened the impact. But one shot did open him up. Wouldn't go as far to say he was exposed though.
     
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    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    He was exposed as a poor boxer. Some have even praised his jab - after seeing freaking Stiverne as a punchbag for target practice...
     
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    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. But pointing this out will be branded as “Whining” or “Just salty doe!”

    And I definitely wouldn’t label his jaw as “Iron” but it’s sturdier than many thought. Iron jaws are GGG, Vitali, Tex Cobb, Ray Mercer etc. NOT Wilder. Lol
     
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    In the three years since Wilder-Stiverne I, less capable guys than Ortiz had already highlighted those shortcomings before being bombed out. I honestly don't think we came out with any new sticks to beat Wilder with, just proof that he has all the heart in the world and can deliver his power with effect against one of the better men currently around (even after being badly hurt and looking done in).
     
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    If someone wins and wins by KO then they're not exposed.

    This was a step up for Wilder and fair dues to him for turning around a fight he was clearly losing. It's by far his best win - because Stiverne fought badly when he lost the WBC Title where Ortiz is the first guy to really have Wilder in any trouble - and goes a long way to legitimizing him and overriding the farce of his first 30 fights. So yeah, well done Wilder.
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    True, the same flaws I saw in his boxing against Szpilka and Washington were confirmed tonight. He relies heavily on his height and jab, but if you do what Ortiz and Szpilka did and feint him, you can feint him out of position which shuts him down offensively. Ortiz was also able to take away Wilder's jab by catching the jab with his lead right hand. Wilder definitely will always struggle with a southpaw.

    Washington used a combination of feints and a very average but long jab to do the same. It's only when Wilder decides to stand his ground and lead does he become dangerous but at the same time vulnerable as we saw vs Ortiz.

    Wilder was lucky that Ortiz's biggest flaw which is his inability to go through the gears and up his offense when needed kept him in the fight after the 7th. Wilder was very vulnerable in the 8th a more aggressive fighter would of finished Wilder in the 8th. But Ortiz can't put the kind of pressure on to finish it as he's more inclined to sit back and counter, so forcing the pace isn't in his make up as a fighter.
     
  15. Salty Dog

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    the fear is palpable
     
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