Defensive work doesn't count for a damn thing if the guy with the defense doesn't land enough punches.
7-2 or 6-3 Ortiz.. plus a point for wilder knockdown so the closest it could of been was 2 point lead for Ortiz..
Punches tend to be slightly overrated, Pep won rounds without landing a single punch, against Jackie Graves.
6-3 Ortiz was probably the most accurate card, but I'll need to look into it further. 2 point lead for Ortiz assuming you did not give him 10-8 in the 7th round.
So fighter A outlands fighter B by 85 punches and in 10/12 rds while both land near 30% of their total punches. Who wins?
All depends on the rounds, it could technically be even depending on how the rounds go. You could have five landslide rounds but the other five going to the other man because of better defense, being outlanded etc etx
So no matter how many times you score Ward Kovalev 1 JLC May 1 or GGG Alvarez 1, alternative facts rule out
Has nothing to do with any of those fights, although my scorecard differs from many on this forum on those fights. That has nothing to do with it. This thread is to educate those who undermine defense and why that is so blatantly wrong. It seems like most people on this forum (Almost everyone) undermines it and that's why their cards can't really be considered legitimate.
Mayweather Alvarez and Ward missed near/same amount of punches as their perspective robbed opponents. While their robbed opponents were the effective aggressors outlanding the beneficiarys of the robberys in nearly every Rd of their perspective fights and by nearly 40%+/- in each instance. Or how bout Peterson v Garcia. Looks like a prime Mayweather/Lara clone for 5 rds barely getting touched but drilling Garcia with counters, then when Garcia finally begin to cut the ring and land for 2 rds, Peterson changes course and turns into Hearns battering Garcia for the final 5. Malik Scott doesn't let Glaskov land a punch of note for 8 rds while peppering him with 1-2s. Glaskov has a few good rds 9/10 before Scott starts sitting on his R and buzzing Czar a few times in the last two. Robberies exist in boxing. It's a corrupt sport. You claim in your OP is that the judges scoring fights are more qualified than we are. Why??? Is it because they have an uncle who bequeaths his position? A parent? Spouse? Fact is that only requirement to become a professional judge/referee is sponsorship by a mentor who is already licensed by the state you are applying in. While I enjoy the skills of Andrade and Mello over those of Mallow, I like Mallo more.....b/c as a fan, he's far less likely to be robbed since he prefers to keep the judges from beating him
like basketball, the game is won by the points shot. defense is not part of the goal to win. it is just part of the strategy to win and preserve themselves. you are just trying too hard to justify the safety first (too cautious of getting hurt) players that often times win due to corruption. boxing is just basically a hurting game which is now getting too close to killing because of rampant use of PEDs.
Spot on MVC. These clowns act like walking forward and missing punches is ring generalship lmao They act like they don’t see the “EFFECTIVE” before the agression and then cry robbery. It’s too funny. “But he was walking forward while the other guy was running”. It’s pathetic these people claim they’re boxing fans. The fact that some fighters argument is their opponent wasn’t standing still is quite pathetic. It’s just mind boggling the masses buy into this nonsense.
I do think defence can be generally underrated by many, just due to the fact it’s usually less entertaining than a war or a slug fest. But there is no way in hell that it should be considered the primary judging point. You bring up the Pep example to help your point but honestly I think it hinders it more than anything. Say we clone Willie Pep and make him fight himself, then we get a 12 roUnd “masterclass” of zero punches thrown or landed. Scorecards read 120-120 and we have all witnessed the perfect “fight” right? Extreme example sure. But no thankyou. Boxing is first and foremost a fight. Making defence the key factor is the first step to turning it into an elaborate dancing match which precisely 11 viewers turn in to watch.