Wilder is physically stronger than Anthony Joshua

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  1. fcb1068

    fcb1068 Active Member Full Member

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    I said its his only chance because that fight is not going 12 rounds so it doesnt matter if Joshua is the better boxer. Its ending in a KO. Before I thought that both of them could loose by KO in that fight but after Wilder survived a whole round as a punching bag for 93% KO rate Luis Ortiz, I think he blitzes Joshua no matter what happens.
     
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  2. underwraps

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    I think Tyson's win over Wlad had more to do with skill and movement than "strength and mass" Just my view.
     
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  3. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So being a better boxer doesn't help you KO your opponent? It doesn't help you avoid getting KO'd?
     
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    fcb1068 Active Member Full Member

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    As much as I like Tyson Fury I think his size gave Wladimir more trouble than his skills. Tyson has quick feet for a heavy weight and good movement. I strongly believe that Wladimirs long stretch feasting on 6 foot 2 guys like Poovekin, Leapai etc was his downfall. He got so used to physically overwhelming his opponents with his size that as soon as other big and skilled heavy weights like Fury and Joshua came along he lost badly. He was scared to pull the trigger against Fury due to his massive size and could not control him in the clinch. If Fury was a Takam, Wlad would have beaten him.
     
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    Joshua cant avoid a straight right hand to save his life. He's pretty good at ducking left hooks which is why Wlad couldn't land but that Wilder right hand is long and fast while Joshua is rigid and stiff. If Joshua was a better boxer who used his feet to win fights, like a Tyson Fury then he has the advantage but fact is Joshua is a better boxer when attacking only with his upper body. Because of this, Joshua's better boxing ability wont help a lot.
     
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  6. underwraps

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    All views are good. But i think when you say Fury has fast feet and good movement. To me that's more skill and movement than size and strength. I don't think he was scared to pull the trigger against Tyson, but more that Tyson's skill/movement wouldn't allow him to.
     
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  7. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that's a big exaggeration. Just because he's been hit with a few, doesn't mean he can't avoid them. He's a boxer, he's gonna get hit with all sorts of shots at some stage.

    Joshua's jab, timing, counter punching ability, straight punches, combination punching and ability to throw short punches on the inside will all help him to knock Wilder out.
     
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  8. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    did wilder actually grow up doing farm **** tho
     
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  9. fcb1068

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    Wilder was too cautious of Luis Ortiz power to throw jabs and right hands early. I think that for Joshua vs Wilder, we will get the Wilder that blitzed Bermain Stevern in their rematch. If we do, that Wilder Jab is faster, rangier and snappier than Joshua's Jab. Keep these words in mind. "If Wilder wins the jab battle in the early rounds, its going to be Wilder-Stevern 2 all over again".
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

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    Lol the amount of mental gymnastics required to make yourself believe that Wilder is some how stronger than Joshua is mind bubblin. Some serious half hybrid logic going on here, lmao.

    OP clearly doesn't even understand what functional strength is, a term often bandied about by people who don't understand it. Functional strength is basically sport specific strength and Joshua's training is obviously very sport specific based off of what we've seen. He doesn't bench, he uses the Hex bar for a more sport specific deadlift movement, focusing less on back and more on the posterior chain, he uses bands in conjunction with weights to increase power through out the entire movement which is useful for any combat striking sport.

    Wilder is able to do an impression of an octopus vs a tired, 38 year old Ortiz with high blood pressure and suddenly he's the strongest heavyweight in the world, lol. If and when the fight happens I guarantee if Wilder tries to clinch Joshua he'll get shrugged off with ease, like Joshua did vs Wlad.
     
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  11. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With Joshua's height, reach and power I doubt Wilder will be any less cautious early than he was against Ortiz.
     
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  12. fcb1068

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    No.1 Wilder is much stronger than Wlad. Wlad got complacent bullying 6 foot fighters like Povetkin and Leapai for too long.

    No.2. My defination os functional strenght is correct mr smarty pants. It is the ability to apply strength to real world situations. Whether lifting hay or digging a ditch.
    Your blinded by Joshua's big muscles.

    Ever hear of Wilt Chamberlin? He was 7 foot like Shaq and weighed atleast 50 lbs less but Wilt is known as the strongest NBA player in history. Coincidence. Well he also slim like Wilder with tinny legs.
     
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    I hope not. I've watched every single one of Joshua's fight since the Olympics and I am 100% sure that he doesnt punch nearly as hard as Luis Ortiz. Also, Joshua is not half the counter puncher that Luis Ortiz is.

    The only thing Joshua does better than Ortiz is combination punching.

    Wilder needs to do two things right to win that fight with Joshua in under 5 rounds:
    1. Establish the Jab
    2. Show no respect
     
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  14. Southpawswitch

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    Just look at Wilder's build...all lean muscle without a single ounce of fat on him. When he throws a punch his arm is like a whip...flying through the air at an ungodly speed and producing a snap with the concussive power of a small sonic boom.
     
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  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to disagree. Joshua punches at least nearly as hard as Ortiz. He certainly hits hard enough to stop Wilder. Also Wilder absolutely needs to show respect. If he doesn't, he'll walk onto something and get stopped. He needs to be smart defensively while trying to time that right hand.
     
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