Wilder: Has he or is he using PEDs?

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  1. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    First off i am not suggesting Deontay has ever used PEDs, however we hear on this forum 'suggestions' that AJ uses PEDs, yet the fact is he has not failed any drug tests, but then hear statements here that Wilder has freakish power, great stamina etc but is 'clean' (again no failing of drug tests)

    Now Wilder is not a bodybuilder of the ilk of AJ, but PEDs users do not have to be (i think we can all agree Maria Sharapova does not like 'Arnie' despite having taken PEDs).
    Actually in fact in many sports being too muscular would be a disadvantage/not helpful, but athletes providing positive drug tests have come from high profile winners/competitors in such sports, be that cycling, marathon running and even curling.

    So what are forum users views on Mr Wilder, has he or has he not used PEDs?

    I take the view regarding PEDs is that until you have provided a positive to PEDs sample then you are innocent, however if you provide a positive, then i think life ban should be enforced be that in boxing or any other sport.
     
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  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. edabomb

    edabomb Active Member Full Member

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    So by that criteria you don't recognise Lance Armstrong as a drug cheat?
     
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  4. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair play but Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones never failed a test either and they wasn’t innocent were they?
    Way I look at is that in a division that’s been rife with PED users it stands to reason theyed all be at it just like those at the 100mtrs were as they look at it like they just levelling the playing field.Usain Bolts final race or near as damn it was in London and drug testing was high after all that had gone on,Bolt lost for the first time in ages and looked awful,times were way down for the rest of the field also which proved to me that when you take away the PEDs these supermen all of a sudden aren’t capable of doing superhuman feats anymore.
    Deontay Wilder for me is the Usain Bolt of the HW division and for myself I just assume he uses PEDs as the others do and just to explain it doesn’t bother me one bit as personally I don’t have to believe my fav boxers are doing it clean as that would be ridiculous and contrary to what we know is the norm.

    I hold AJ to the same standard and I’m a big AJ fan and this is why I don’t understand the Canelo fans on here pretending he’s innocent and he’s eaten some dodgy meat cause when you look into it the levels are nowhere near what other Athletes have been banned for claiming it was meat,to be sure Canelo and his dodgy meat bought down the road from Sergio the tainted butcher is such an excuse it’s unreal and yet it wouldn’t bother me one bit were he to come clean about it as it’s part of sport nowadays.
    Wilder has trimmed down again but I remember round the time of Povetkin that there were threads then on about him looking so big and how he got those gains.
     
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  5. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I sure do recognise him as a drug cheat, did not USADA accuse Armstrong of doping based on blood samples from 2009 and 2010 and Armstrong refused to contest it?
     
  6. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol you beat me to it
     
  7. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I say no Joshua does not do them because I've never seen a shred of evidence to say otherwise nor any rumours, nothing more than pure speculation based on his physique.

    Exact same goes for wilder. Never heard a single rumour even suggesting it. That right hand has monster power but it's not unreasonable to just accept it's natural and it's in the way he throws it.
     
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  8. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was accused constantly through his career but the Cancer thing in particular was his sympathy card.
    Wilder does a similar thing to what Lance and Floyd did,calling out for a clean sport and rigorous testing.
    If Floyd and Lance taught us anything it’s that one can juice and pass the tests quite easily if you’ve got the right doctor ect.
     
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  9. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are clueless and should stop making threads such as this. There was never any physical proof from USADA. There's a reason the FDA dropped the case vs Lance, no proof whatsoever. And for the record, USADA has no jurisdiction for Lance's records from any years he was a pro in Europe.

    Obviously USADA didn't need proof since they resorted to strong arm tactics using the FBI as leverage to coerce confessions from Lance's inner circle. Learn some **** yo.
     
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  10. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    If this is a junk thread as like a boss states, then ok that's an opinion, however i seriously am interested in folks views.
    We see so much about PEDs usage by the muscular boxers, which is a obvious possibility, but as we all know PEDs are not all about the bulk building, i have zero knowledge on PED use in boxing other than what i read, so seeking others insight, that's it.
     
  11. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't subscribe to the whole "everyone does them" theory. I see it the same as other aspects of life, some people cheat, some don't.

    I consider Wilder clean because:

    A) It has never been proven otherwise.

    B) I don't see a level of athleticism from him that I think is unachievable naturally.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neither had we with Canelo,one thing I am pleased with though is how mr A side was tested,found dirty and reported as it should be.
     
  13. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Yes we all know that cheats allegedly pass tests, but as stated i was asking others opinion on Wilder, now if folk feel all boxers are using PEDs then ok, that is an opinion.
     
  14. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Active Member Full Member

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    If you ever reach the pinnacle of a sport you've taken something. Every Top athlete ever. That's what separates the best from the rest.
     
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  15. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder out of em all has the natural athleticism and speed of a basketball player or something like.