Rofl at those people questioning if floyd is or is not an atg. Quit boxing, and go to watch curling. You will not notice the difference, anyway, and the ppv will be cheaper.
Yeah definite all time great. As far as the current generation anyway. He,s been the best of the last twenty years. At the same time...he gets marks off for being a mostly negative/defensive fighter. For that reason alone I don't think you can compare him to guys like Leonard/hearn etc. Its like comparing apples to oranges. Floyd mastered negating the opponent then boxed his way to a 12 round decision. You,ve got to respect the level of talent he had. But at the end of the day your better putting him in a category of defensive fighters similar to himself. And keep the offensive guys that entertain in another category. There was too much cherry picking... going on for him to be the atg. He will always have an asterix on his name for me anyway. He struggled with maidana an old mosely almost had him out. A young Judah ran him close. I always felt speed would have beat him. He stayed away from the fast guys when you look over his career. Didn't,t want much to do with pacman when he was at his fastest. Only really took on Judah with speed. And struggled badly them first four rounds. The rest of the guys like canelo, old mosely, maidana, corrales, cotto, guerrero and most of the guys he beat all had one thing in common. They all had one thing missing....speed. Even with amir khan...he sidestepped it to take on berto etc. Not that khans great...but interesting that he didn't take the fight and picked slower guys again. Its a running theme in his career. He pretty much avoided fast guys. Or took them when they,d slowed down.
Weird list. Explain to me how Hearns isn't a legend or even an ATG? He was the first man to win titles in 4 weight classes, then broke his own record winning 5 in as many weight classes. His win over Virgil Hill alone at 175 despite being shot and bloated elevates him to ATG status.
I'll get slated for this opinion, but I don't care. Realistically, no matter how much the people who do say it, genuinely do believe it.... Those that say he isn't even in the top 10 ATG are deluded by their hatred. He is obviously, easily top 10
no, he has the tools to become an atg but lost it. he was good but not as an ultimate fighter for being too defensive and winning mostly by just scoring points, dirty fighting techniques, and too defensive. not to mention fighting only in the US with imposed advantages and suspect influences on refereeing and judging. the worst is having a very high probability of using peds when caught with excessive saline drip and granted tue. the moment fighters cheat to take the most advantage thru peds and having officials in their pockets, it destroyed their credibility. my standard of an atg are those who rely solely on their abilities who respected their opponents by fighting them on level playing field.
I have to seriously question how long you have been alive...If you think those kind of primitive Medieval era type of questions can be still used today, how hard is it to make the point without missing it The ducking is a historic fact, not something I invented [do a google or youtube search if you are sincerely unaware of this] The disagreement among historians is on the nature of ducking.... It really depends on who is talking to you, but whats is certain Floyd didn't pursue that fight with the same enthusiasm he pursued the McGregor super Fight
@BlizzyBlizz Holy beat Tyson twice Holy was a Cruiser Undisputed champ Holy beat Foreman, Tyson didn't fight Foreman Holy vs Lewis compared to Tyson vs Lewis Ali == Legend Tyson == ATG Holy == Great
I can't place him in the top 20 myself because he has no signature performance. Looking at the fighters of the last 50 years or so who rank top 20 ATG they all have that career defining moment. Guys like Duran, Leonard, Pac and Ali. The 4 greatest fighters of the past 50 years and the only modern top 20 ATGs IMO. When you think of those 4 fighters there is an obvious performance or fight associated with that man. With Mayweather that never came. So for me I can't place him in the top 20. Or I can't put him on the mount Rushmore of modern fighters.
I agree that Floyd is not an ATG, but I disagree about him not having a signature performance; I’d say Corrales. All but forgotten now, at the time it was billed as something of a smaller Hearns vs Leonard type of fight. An extremely tall slugger vs the smaller but more well rounded boxer puncher. Both undefeated. The way Floyd blew him out also caused people to question Chico but going into that fight Chico was considered a threat. Here’s the thing; at 130floyd was an assassin. It wasn’t until after Castillo 1 that the safety first Floyd was born. For those of us that were pretty damned impressed by his fighting style as the Pretty Boy, watching him turn into the cherry picking ducker Money was both sad and frustrating. To be honest, Floyd’s resume post 135, if you look at who he fought and when, barely makes him a first ballot hall of famer. It’s his early body of work combined with his longevity and discipline that makes him noteworthy.
I still rate Floyd an ATG, but he's not among the greatest of modern fighters. I bolded a particular sentence here because it's true it's all, but forgotten. Nobody forgets that Leonard knocked out Hearns because it's Tommy ****ing Hearns.
