What Hearn and Joshua did was straight

The way Joshua and Hearn have been talking about not wanting Wilder to get in the ring "cos the deals not signed" is suspect as hell. Good for Wilder he used his brain, realised that he was gonna get dragged into the Whyte fight and didn't give Hearn the satisfaction. I'm in no rush for this fight as Joshua will have no one else at world level to fight after Wilder and vice versa.

 

No it’s English. Sorry if it’s too advanced for you. Wilder fans being classy as always with the insults. You don’t have much else.

 

Why would I? It was pretty funny.

 

It’s respect for his opponent. Not being “precious” about anything. The ring is for fighting not WWE shouting matches. What the **** is it with you Wilder fans and your childish nonsense. Grow up FFS.

 

It's extremely rare that you'll catch me directing invective at another poster, and I thought that example was exceedingly mild and offered in good humor (ergo, not really invective). Nevertheless, I'm sorry if you took offense. That said, you really are performing all manner of spectacular mental gymnastics to defend Hearn and Joshua over this nonsense.

Find me a modern precedent for a boxer barring another boxer from 'his' ring and I'll show you a guy who got roundly laughed at.

 

You're still not getting it.

Guys call out other guys when they need to sell tickets. They talk trash, they pose and strike postures and it helps to sell tickets to the masses. It's a pantomime and it's there for one reason and one reason only, to sell tickets. There's only one problem with having Wilder do that on Saturday, but it's rather a significant one... There are no tickets to sell, because there's no agreement for the fight to take place.

Wilder could've been in that ring on Saturday if he'd signed a deal. Hearn would've been delighted at his antics and AJ wouldn't have been bothered in the slightest. Every daft comment and boast would've helped stoke the pre-fight buzz and ultimately have earned AJ and Hearn the money they crave. Everyone wins.

Wilder didn't do that however, he wants a bigger slice of the cake than AJ and Hearn feel he deserves, what with the massive disparity in achievements, fame, earning capacity etc etc. He's holding out for more. So no agreement, no fight to sell, but Wilder still wants to go in there and sell a fight that's not yet agreed. He wanted to try and improve his bargaining position using AJ's audience by implying that AJ had no place else to go but to him. This is the audience he was too lame to attract for himself due to his years fighting window cleaners in back of nowhere casinos.

Well guess what? Selling tickets is not a problem for AJ and Hearn. They sell 5 times more than him without breaking sweat. What's more, they reserve their hype for the fights that have been agreed. They're not in the 'let's do Deontay Wilder's marketing for him' charity, they're in professional boxing. Wilder and his team should be making a deal, not throwing tantrums.

Ultimately this is about leverage. They don't need him anywhere near as much as he needs them. They want his belt, but not at any price. If he wants the limelight and the attention he'll have to sign a deal. Then he gets to go on the big stage with the big boys.

 

Yes, why wouldn't Hearn do that? For us fans it's about the fights, for them it's all about the money and he promotes both, why wouldn't he try to make two big fights for his fighters?. Wilder v joshua can't come first for him or he loses at least one big fight

 

Okay, okay. If you want to believe that boxing operates on some excessively prissy and misguided code of honor, I won't try to sway you. You're entitled to your visions, even if they're contrary to decades of precedent.

But wait, what's this just one post prior?

 

This is fallacy. Froch-Groves II was sold entirely on viral clips and social media months in advance of that rematch being formally inked. The 80,000 butts in seats were secured long before a contract was signed.

Wilder getting in that ring and stirring the pot would cause immeasurable buzz and create intense clamor that would last throughout the ensuing couple months of negotiations, all the way up to a deal being signed and onward toward a truly seismic event.

Hearn and Joshua do not seem to want that pressure cooker, however.

 

It's like y'all got no shame.

I don't give a **** what excuse you use. The HW champion of the world needing a ****in' safe space is an embarrassment for the whole damn sport let alone the UK.

Y'all can spin it all you like, but AJ needs coddled like a ****in' SJW.

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****, it's like there's two of them.

 

They don't need it till they have a product to sell. If AJ unifies on Saturday they will have many options and they will want the buzz to be about whichever of those options they choose. That could mean Miller in NYC. It could mean Povetkin in UK or elsewhere. When they decide they will throw their marketing machine into action and they will generate immeasurable buzz because they've put the ground work in already.

If and when the Wilder fight is signed it will be seismic. Not because of a lame ass ring confrontation but because it will be for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. That's what will give it status, not Wilder's pantomime antics. It will be seismic because one of the two participants has done the work in unifying the belts whilst the other one has sat on his belt for 3 years fighting journeymen.

 

I already addressed (and, in my view, deconstructed) this notion/assertion/whatever. You are, of course, free to repeat it with added verbiage. For my part, I'll leave it there, early start and all that. No hard feelings.





This sums up Hearn, Joshua and those defending them in plain talk;

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Fights arent made when someone gets a bit lippy in the ring. A fight is made in the back rooms with contracts.

If its going to come, its going to come. If AJ is ducking him, then hes ducking him. **** happens.

I could ask why Mikey Garcia is ducking Loma ?
Why did Canelo duck GGG for 2 years.
why is tank ducking Loma ?
why is yarde ducking anyone of skill ?
the list can go on for days.

AJ vs Wilder will happen, the same way Canelo vs GGG happened.

 

Wilder is diminished in negotiations as long as Fury is still out there. That's another big fight for AJ and it would be all U.K. Plus, they both beat Klitschko and in very different styles.