Prime Kostya Tszyu vs Terence Crawford at 140

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  1. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    Excellent post.

    Imo I think Tszyu struggles with guys who can match him physically on the inside, Crawford as technically proficient as he is doesn't fall into this category and him turning southpaw wouldn't mean anything as Tszyu excelled against these.

    I think Crawford lasts the distance but I think he gets bullied in what would turn into an ugly fight over 12 rounds.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Height doesn't equal size. Oscar was a skinny dude. Spence is a stronger, bigger man.
     
  3. Serge

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    Amateur record

    Tszyu 259-11 (I've also seen it listed as 260-10)

    Crawford's 70-12

    So Crawford incurred more loses in 82 fights than Tszyu did in 270 even though he fought at a much lower level than Tszyu

    And obviously Tszyu's amateur accomplishments>>>Crawford's by an absolute country mile

    Tszyu 31-2 (25 KOs) KO 75%

    Crawford 36-0 (27 KOs) KO 74%

    Tszyu's opponent's win/loss ratio

    Tszyu 1064-130


    Crawford 580-215

    Number of world champions fought

    Tszyu 15 (13-2)

    Crawford 7 (7-0)

    Number of world title fights

    Tszyu 18

    Crawford 14

    Number of times fought on the road

    Tszyu = 15 including unifying twice in his opponent's country and winning his first world title in his opponent's country too. So he won all his world titles in his opponent's country and defended his titles many times on the road and in his opponent's country

    Crawford = 1 (for his first world title fight)

    Obviously to anyone with a brain that isn't the size of a rat's testicle winning on the road or in your opponent's home country is more difficult and more impressive than beating them in your backyard/country where often everything is stacked in your favour and against them and it's more difficult for a whole host of different reasons that combine to make it so. Some of them individually are enough to mean the difference between getting your arm raised or going home with an L on your record, let alone combined. Only complete morons fail to grasp this. Beating Zab Judah or Sharmba Mitchell in their country>>>beating them in Australia or Russia. Winning away>>winning at home.

    There's a reason why many fighters are reluctant to travel or fight in their opponent's backyard/country and that reason is because they know it increases their chance of losing, by hook or by crook, because they know the deck will either be stacked against them or the best case scenario is it's going to be a level playing field.

    Crawford has fought outside of his country once, whereas Tszyu did it 15 times, 15 fights on the road out of 33 fights.

    Miguel Angel Gonzalez 43-1-3
    Zab Judah 27-0-0
    Sharmba Mitchell 47-2-0 & (55-3-0 for the rematch)
    Diosbelys Hurtado 28-1
    Jake Rodriguez 26-2-2
    Rafael Ruelas 52-3
    Oktay Urkal 28-0-0
    Julio Cesar Chavez 103-4-2
    Hector Lopez 26-2-1
    Hugo Pineda 27-0-1
    Jan Bergman 32-0-0
    Ben Tackie 24-2-0
    Jesse James Leija 43-5-2
    Angel Hernandez 40-1-2
    Roger Mayweather 54-11-0
    Pedro Sanchez 26-1-2
    Corey Johnson 20-1-1

    And in his 4th fight he fought Juan Laporte 37-11-1

    In his 6th Sammy Fuentes. Fuentes went on to pick up the WBO JWW strap later on in his career

    10th Livingstone Bramble

    Laporte, Bramble and Mayweather were past their best but they were still solid opponents for world class fighters.


    Tszyu was fighting some very solid guys from very early on in his career, Crawford didn't even get in there with anyone with a pulse until he was 19-0

    Crawford

    Postol 28-0
    Diaz 19-1
    Khan 33-4
    Horn 18-0
    Benavidez 27-0
    Indongo 22-0
    Beltran 29-6-1
    Gamboa 23-0
    Burns 36-2-1
    Egis - 21-0-1
    Dulorme 22-1
    Molina 29-6
    Klimov 16-0
    Lundy 26-5-1
     
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  4. Papillon

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    And the winner of best post in this thread goes to @Serge.

    May aswell end the thread right now.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks.
     
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  6. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    You cannot argue with honest, true facts my friend.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol on here some do though
     
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    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    :facepalm:
     
  9. The Akbar One

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    Spence isn't bigger than De La Hoya, and how do you know he is stronger? Did you have them in a strength competition or something? This is pure opinion and speculation.
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes he's bigger than DLH. He could never make 130 or 135 like DLH.
     
  11. RacingBeat

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    Great post! That bramble fight was awesome
     
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  12. The Akbar One

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    De La Hoya would never make 130 or 135 when he was at welter either, point? Spence isn't even built like Brook. So I'm not sure what this 5'9 equals massive welter **** comes from. If he was built like Brook, you might have a point, he's not though.
     
  13. tinman

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    DLH could make lower weight divisions because he's the smaller man.

    I guess Loma and Rigo are the same size now considering that Loma came in at 129 and Rigo came in at 128.4

    Rigo couldn't make 122 or 126 when he was a SFW. Because 128.4 is over the SBW and FW limit. Thus by your logic he couldn't make lower weight classes when he was a SFW therefore making him equal size to Loma.
     
  14. BlizzyBlizz

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    Scourge, this post right here clearly shows how much ydkab. When I saw this below, I laughed my ass off. Read and I quote:

    "And in his 4th fight he fought Juan Laporte 37-11-1

    In his 6th Sammy Fuentes. Fuentes went on to pick up the WBO JWW strap later on in his career

    10th Livingstone Bramble

    Laporte, Bramble and Mayweather were past their best but they were still solid opponents for world class fighters.


    Tszyu was fighting some very solid guys from very early on in his career, Crawford didn't even get in there with anyone with a pulse until he was 19-0".



    The kicker was when you posted Chavez Sr lmao lmmfao lmmfao!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha lol. Who wins prime Bud or retired Kostya who never rematched Phillips? As a matter of fact WHERE IS COOL VINCE PHILIPS NAME AT!!!??? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...!!! ****en Scourge lmmfao! He never fails to make me laugh lmao.
     
  15. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Look at this.

    Mayweather fans always show up in force for Kostya Tszyu fantasy fights because they can’t forget how Floyd ducked Tszyu. :crybaby2:

    Prime Floyd ducking old Tszyu was the beginning of Floyd’s ducking, cherry picking, vacationing and roiding career. :lol:
     
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