the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ah, hey natonic.
     
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  2. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey McGrain. Good to see you around.

    Watched Mancini - Frias. I gave Frias the first 90 seconds, Mancini the rest :). Insane fight. Does anybody fight like that anymore?

    Gonna have to watch Frias - Espana and Frias - Noel.
     
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  3. Russell

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    Did you catch Jorge Lara vs Marrero from a few weeks ago? Sub-30 second knockout shootout, it was fantastic. :lol:
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mention of Ray Mancini had me thinking of this fight. Anyone see Mancini against Arguello?

    Alexis Arguello - Ray 'Boom-Boom' Mancini

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 11: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 12: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
    Round 13: 10-9 Arguello
    Round 14: Arguello scores a stoppage win

    Total through 13 completed rounds: 125-124 Arguello

    Alexis Arguello truly was a 15 round fighter. You may get off to a good start over him as Ray did, but he bides his time with every hook, uppercut, cross, jab and bodyshot which slowly whittles down the resolve, ribs and skin on his opponent before cuing him up for the KO. Remarkable fighter.
     
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  5. Russell

    Russell VIP Member Full Member

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    Was there ever a more measured great fighter than Alexis Arguello? I can't think of another fighter who sometimes took several rounds to slip through the gears. I know he was an analytical mind and liked having a good look at his opponents.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Russ, that right hand he dropped Mancini with in the 12th was a thing of beauty.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gaby Canizales was one of my favorite fighters back in the day. Man, I loved watching him fight. Well, you guys are going to thank me for this one if you watch it. We're talking Gaby Canizales vs. Louis Curtis. What a pace these two set. Saw it back in the day, but the wait was well worth it to see it again. Here we go, 10 point must system.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 3: 10-9 Curtis
    Round 4: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 5: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 9: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 10: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 11: 10-9 Curtis
    Round 12: 10-9 Canizales

    Total: 118-113 Canizales

    This bout really depends on your preferences in scoring. Do you like busier taps or something with more heft. Again, this was fought at break-neck speed, so you'll have to decide in the field. hope you like it.
     
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  8. cleming

    cleming Active Member Full Member

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    It's indeed one of the most enjoyable fight I've seen, so much skills and hearts from both men! I uploaded it on youtube a couple years ago after watching it thanks to a topic about obscure great fights.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cleming, so it's you we can thank for this one. Outstanding choice for an upload. Man, if you can find his fight with Diego Rosario I would love it. Anyway, I'm reposting the Curtis fight here. Thanks again.

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  10. McGrain

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    Cliff Etienne UD10 Lawrence Clay Bey

    Bey seems weirdly open. He's sure getting cuffed around a little bit in the first. Lots to the body. Bey not arsed at all :lol: Got the crap beaten out of him on the ropes in the second though. Horrible uppercuts. So when Bey comes flying o the ropes with a merciless series of counters, scoring this round became just awful. But I think that Etienne was hurt there. So Bey for me.

    Bey gives us a repeat in the third. Let's Etienne spear him with uppercuts on the ropes then goes crazy throwing leather back at him when he's gassed a bit. Lovely inside fighting. Etienne wants the knockouot - it IS only ten rounds, but Jesus...

    I can just feel that i'm going to produce a disagreeable scorecard here...

    Etienne missing a fair margin in the beginning of the fifth. He looks a little fatigued and gives ground here for the first time. Bey flows. What a very good fight. First clinch in this round. Bey has just sat on the ropes. After a great, great start to the round I believe he's allowed himself to get outworked - then in the final seconds of the round he makes it difficult to score once more. I've given both of these questionable rounds to Bey. 5-0 would be a reasonable card.

    Bey tried to steal the sixth, Etienne has finally got wise. That's the way you do it, take evasive action, make it difficult for your man rather than throw with him when you're tired and he's fresh. Pretty.

    Booming right hand bags Bey the seventh though. I have this 4-3 Etienne after seven. Bey takes the eighth for me too, inviting Etienne in for the first minute, then countering bountifully off the ropes - he looks every inch the winner for that spell. Then it's back to the ropes, covering up, absorbing punishment.

    And in this manner, Etienne ran away with the fight. Nicely punctuated with a big tenth.

    A good, strange fight.

    Bey:2,5,7,
    Etienne:1,3,4,6,8,9,10
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Jonas Sultan UD12 John Riel Casimero

    Sultan, a big underdog, beats the man that beat Ruenroeng. I wanted to Casimero to make some real dough for providing the world that service, but it wasn't to be I guess, Sultan got him and now Sultan gets the rewards.

    Fair bit of missing and bumping in the first. Sultan wants to counter Casimero's lunging attacks. Seems legit and wins him the first. Casimero is weird, kind of perches over his back leg, or uses his front but with a nothing probing jab. I've seen him do his work,s o he can get going, but he seems to have almost no success in this round. Sultan wins it by virtue of the fact that he does nothing.

    Sultan bending at the waist in close when he hits minor trouble inside in the second; it always looks wrong but quite often seems to have the affect of confusing the opponent, so, to be fair, carry on. Sultan gets off enough serious single shots as counters to Casimero's hard leads (one of which he lands) to take the second.

    Basically Sultan is embracing the chaos Casimero inflicts and then applying boxing fundamentals to these situations. It serves him well. He induces some chaos of his own in the third, feinting with his feet, leading with his head, pushing. But he also scores two-handed and even if it's just fleetingly, that's better than what Casimero is doing which is by now very little.

    Finally, Casimero puts his foot down in the sixth, lands a couple of uppercuts, pushes in behind those punches with vaunted aggression, does his business. He's just relying upon what hasn't been working 1-5 working though, so it doesn't bode well for the second half of the fight, which he needs to utterly dominate even just for the draw.

    It does at least make things more intriguing, kinda. Both men now know that Casimero can snap off around with his apparently totally inflexible plan A (in fairness, he does seem to be throwing a higher proportion of right hands in the seventh).

    ...it's kind of working though :lol: Despite Sultan's dipping, slipping and holding, Casmiero IS having way more luck leading off with that crazy right hand. The eighth is a lunatic round full of amateur swings and madness. Very very close round. I thought Sultan one it in the final twenty seconds with one stiff jab. Arguable though, and if you see it to Casimero, then you'd have it 5-3 instead of 6-2 with a very different complexion on the fight.

    After very clearly countering his way to the ninth though, with some beautiful crisp punches, Sultan has this in the bag. No idea how Casimero can dispute this decision. He needs to bring more in must win rounds than break/lunge/break/lunge/break. Casimero is inevitably cut by an unintentional headbutt in the tenth.

    Casimero does go for it in the twelfth but it's ramshackle and mad really.

    8-4 is the closest I could possibly make this fight.

    SULTAN:1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,
    CASIMERO:6,7,12
     
    McGrain, May 26, 2018
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's hard to believe that it has been 50 years since this tournament took place. Taking that in mind, here is the Jerry Quarry - Thad Spencer semi-final from the classic heavyweight tourney back in '68. Scored on the California system of 1 point a round, an extra point for a knockdown and none for an even round. Here we go.

    Round 1: Quarry
    Round 2: Even
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Quarry (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: Quarry
    Round 6: Spencer
    Round 7: Spencer
    Round 8: Quarry
    Round 9: Spencer
    Round 10: Quarry (scores a knockdown)
    Round 11: Even
    Round 12: Quarry stops Spencer at 2:57 of the round

    Total through 11 completed rounds - 7-3 Quarry

    Official scorecards had it 7-6, 9-4 and 7-3 at the time of stoppage for Quarry. Spencer was a nice sharp puncher whereas Quarry could seemingly hurt Thad when he pleased. This was a young Quarry, who would get sloppy at times and who allowed Thad back into the fight in the middle rounds. But decent fight.
     
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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I found a gem that I didn't know was on youtube and that was the Jimmy Ellis-George Chuvalo fight. It wasn't high-def but it wasn't too shabby and I thoroughly enjoyed this one. A damn good fight scored on the 5 point must system in Ontario.

    Round 1: 5-4 Ellis
    Round 2: 5-4 Ellis
    Round 3: 5-4 Chuvalo
    Round 4: 5-5 Even
    Round 5: 5-4 Chuvalo
    Round 6: 5-4 Ellis
    Round 7: 5-4 Chuvalo
    Round 8: 5-4 Ellis
    Round 9: 5-5 Even
    Round 10: 5-4 Ellis

    Total: 47-45 Ellis

    Notes:

    1) Ellis really was an underrated fighter and puncher. His right hand was so sharp and - I've never heard this reported before but - that slip by Chuvalo in the 1st round...well, let's just say there are some refs that would have scored that a knockdown. Just from body language in that 1st round one can see Chuvalo was rattled by those rights. Very sharp and very pinpoint.

    2) Rounds 9 & 10 they really let it hang out. Really good rounds.

    3) The scorecard of Tony Canzano had it really wide for Ellis. I think something like 7-1-2, which is ridiculous. Canzano was a Canadian judge and I think he was always overcompensating, trying to show his impartiality. I remember him in the Jose Napoles-Clyde Gray fight and again had the biggest score for the visitor. Either that or he just had a thing for Irv Ungerman fighters.
     
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  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is the Jose Napoles-Clyde Gray fight I previously mentioned. I watched this fight live back in the day and remember scoring it back then too. This fight was fought at such a high-level of skill with jabs, combos, body-work, etc. that the fight went really quick for me. Although it did bog down in the 12th and 13th when the fighters appeared to take some time off work to gain a second wind. Anyways, here we go, Jose Napoles v Clyde Gray. 5 point must system in effect.

    Round 1: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 2: 5-5 Even
    Round 3: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 4: 5-4 Gray
    Round 5: 5-3 Napoles (Napoles scores a knockdown)
    Round 6: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 7: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 8: 5-4 Gray
    Round 9: 5-4 Gray
    Round 10: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 11: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 12: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 13: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 14: 5-4 Napoles
    Round 15: 5-4 Gray

    Total 71-64 Napoles

    They tried this deal during the fight of flashing the scorecards to the audience and Cosell relayed it on the vid. Out of the 3 judges (70-67, 71-67 and 71-65) I had it the widest for Napoles, so I can't fault judge Tony Canzano too much. But not to detract from Gray's performance, he was an excellent fighter and very underrated in the history of 147. He could do it all, just not as well as Napoles could.
     
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  15. rorschach51

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    Hugo Pastor Corro vs Ronnie Harris (August 5, 1978 for the WBA & WBC Middleweight Titles)

    Round 1: 10-9 Corro
    Round 2: 10-9 Harris
    Round 3: 10-9 Harris
    Round 4: 10-9 Harris
    Round 5: 10-9 Harris
    Round 6: 10-9 Corro (After 6 rounds Angelo Dundee has Corro slightly ahead, as you can see I disagree :))
    Round 7: 10-9 Corro
    Round 8: 10-9 Corro
    Round 9: 10-9 Harris
    Round 10: 10-9 Corro
    Round 11: 10-9 Harris
    Round 12: 10-9 Harris
    Round 13: 10-9 Corro
    Round 14: 10-9 Corro
    Round 15: 10-9 Corro

    My score: (143-142 Corro)

    Official scores: (145-143 Corro) (146-144 Harris) (146-145 Corro)
    Winner: Hugo Pastor Corro by Split Decision to retain the Middleweight Championship of the World.
     
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