Seldom Discussed Thoughts On Pavlik/Calzghe

This fight will be in Vegas so someone said that rules Smoger out.

 

I don't really care about casinos and it's fees and incomes... the fans logic should be: the larger the crowd, the better for boxing. It's that simple.

10.000 UK fans traveling across the Ocean, paying thousands of dollars + 5000 US fans packing a LV arena vs. 70.000 fans packing a UK stadium - it's a big difference, and the difference is in logic... if the 70.000 is guaranteed and promoters still decide to go to Las Vegas, it is the finest proof of what's wrong with boxing: they don't care about the number of fight fans but the number of $s (that's why the PPV is a so popular system)...



Fans should ask themselves watching others sports packing stadiums: Why the bloody hell should a crowd of 15.000 scream instead of 70.000? For a few more bucks for the promoters and a lot of money for the casinos? Why should we care about the casinos?

There are 2 logics in boxing promotion: the short money logic: LV Casino (site fee guaranteed), PPV, big money names, a smaller number of paying fans - but they are getting their ass ripped off... And there's the long-term logic: put not well known but exciting names together in the largest arena/stadium possible, put it on free TV and after a few events like this, grandma will watch boxing, learn Cotto's and Juanma's name and more sponsors will put money into boxing. As long as LV and PPV rules (US) boxing, (US) boxing will stay in the "other sports" section... The Calzaghe-Pavlik, LV arena vs. UK stadium debate is the perfect example of that...

 

You forget casinos probably pay, uummm lets call them under the table fees, to the promoters.

 

vegas lost on hopkins v calzaghe

odlh had to pay them 2 million out of his own pocket to keep them sweet.
only 4000 americans turned up for the fight despite it being usa v uk
hopkins making it white v black.

personally i would like the fight to take place at the millenium stadium at a 9pm start uk time.

ref.
not bothered.
styles make fights , pavlik and calzaghe would compliment each other and the ref will not be seen much.

ring size 20 foot would be ok and suit both men.
the fight will be won and lost in the middle of the ring.

 

Of course! That's the logic for the promoters! Guaranteed money vs. risk-taking (however I don't know what's the risk in a UK stadium: Calzaghe-Kessler and Hatton-Lazcano made history with it's crowds) But as long as they're sacrificing the crowds for the under the table fees, boxing will never be as popular as once was... it's all the promoters fault, this fight is a great example.

 

hatton v lazcano made $11,000,000 live gate.

hatton v mayweather at 4.30 am in the morning was $36,000,000 ppv in the uk alone.

calzaghe v hopkins in the states the casinos put up 8 million.

dlh gave them back 2 million and they still took a big bath websites said.

 

Neutral location would be a hard one to ever agree upon with US vs UK fighters involved, unless we can find a big ass island in the middle of the Atlantic to have the showdown. lol. Vegas is what I would bet on, but had read somewhere that Joe had always wanted to fight in the Garden. Vegas casino money will win the day probably.

Not Cortez or Jay Nady, maybe Kenny Bayless or Tony Weeks.

Ringsize, standard Title fight size I guess. Hopefully equally fair to both fighters.

 

1.) Most definitely Steve Smoger! But Joe may balk at that idea. He'll prob wanna bring his own blimey ref.

2.) You are correct about location. But if Kelly was to travel overseas & KO'ed him in front of 60,000 Welsh fans, could anything ever be any sweeter? Madison Square Garden, the Mecca of Boxing, would be my choice. This way, I could go. Even though my wife said if Kelly fight Joe C & its in Vegas, we're there!

3.) Altough your points about ring size is obvious, its a mute point. Big or small, KP will find him. Just got my new copy of Ring magazine yesterday, & you should see all the pics of B Hop putting good leather on Joe's face. NICE!!!

I just registered on Vindy.com, so I could comment on the KP articles there.

Check out my 1st comment:

http://www.vindy.com/weblogs/pavlik-blog/2008/jun/08/post-fight-party-and-post-fight-thoughts/

(((((((((((((KP by KO)))))))))))))

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ref: doesnt matter
venue: vegas
ring size: medium

 

Referee: As long as he's halfway decent it shouldn't matter. Neither Calzaghe nor Pavlik are big holders are foulers.

Location: Wales. This could be Calzaghe's last fight. So he'll want it in Wales and I suspect Pavlik is hungry enough for this fight to give it to him. ( unlike RJJ who I suspect will demand a nuetral location ) Joe is iffy over facing Pavlik and may need this sweetner to seal the deal.

Ring Size: Doesn't matter.

 

1)you talk about neutral grounds.what about a neutral ref.one from australia perhaps.
2)calzaghe is the man to call the shots .if he wants to fight in wales he will.but he would like to fight in madison square garden before he retires as it is one of his ambitions.
3)it is true joe would prefer a larger ring.that is something they would have to sort out between themselves.
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The promoters aren't likely to want a neutral venue as they will want as many bums on seats as possible. I think that probably leaves New York, which would be good for the Ohio fans, but more likely is Las Vegas.
There is a sense among the casual boxing fan that a fight in Vegas means it must be a big deal and more likely to draw bigger numbers.
If it was in UK then it would sell 100,000 but is likely to affect the PPV numbers in the US.
Calzaghe Kessler was a big showdown but had the worst PPV numbers ever.
(albeit no american fighter involved)